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kirkland

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 24, 2017
126
1
I find them longwinded, boring and not enough solid info. Youtube and everyones 15 minutes of fame. Meh.
Tobacco Reviews is where it's at.
OTOH, the leather dressed goons puffing monster Boswell pipes are interesting.

 
Jul 28, 2016
8,155
44,130
Finland-Scandinavia-EU
Deniz boy, Oh Yes, Your commment mad me lough out loud, for the first time today,brilliant, well and I think this Bremen Piper Mark is doing all this on the purpose, and I consider him as a bright and intelligent person

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
60,659
I have the same problem as most everyone else. youTube presenters are nearly all total amateurs and have no sense of production values and no one to rehearse them or advise them. They often do not even prepare the materials in advance. They are relying on their wits to work unscripted, and they can't. They hem-and-haw, sniff, light the pipe, puff, think it over for a while. Every tenth presenter will actually prepare and rehearse, and move briskly through his points, and wrap it up. The information varies in accuracy and value, but at least these people don't torture the viewer. Teaching, public speaking, and video presentation are not parlor games. They require hard work and arduous preparation, which on youTube are usually completely absent. Almost no one can get by on their spontaneous charm -- not Johnny Carson, Bob Hope, Jerry Seinfeld, nor whoever.

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,895
8,905
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
"Teaching, public speaking, and video presentation are not parlor games. They require hard work and arduous preparation, which on youTube are usually completely absent."
Nuff said :clap:
Regards,
Jay.

 

hobie1dog

Lifer
Jun 5, 2010
6,888
237
68
Cornelius, NC
I have the same problem as most everyone else. youTube presenters are nearly all total amateurs and have no sense of production values and no one to rehearse them or advise them. They often do not even prepare the materials in advance. They are relying on their wits to work unscripted, and they can't. They hem-and-haw, sniff, light the pipe, puff, think it over for a while. Every tenth presenter will actually prepare and rehearse, and move briskly through his points, and wrap it up. The information varies in accuracy and value, but at least these people don't torture the viewer. Teaching, public speaking, and video presentation are not parlor games. They require hard work and arduous preparation, which on youTube are usually completely absent. Almost no one can get by on their spontaneous charm -- not Johnny Carson, Bob Hope, Jerry Seinfeld, nor whoever.
Excellent response.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,445
52,342
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Excellent response.
+1
Preparation, production values, unremarkable, you guys do remember how much we pay to see these YouTube videos.....right.
True, but these people are making money due to the ads that play before you watch the video, so there's money involved at some level.
Stuff And Things being referred to in positive terms, I decided to watch a few, or as much of them as I could take. Uniformly bad. It took anywhere from 3.5 to 4 minutes before he even got into the review, by which point I was nearly comatose. Nobody needs 12 minutes to do a tobacco review. Nobody. If you can't do the review in a minute, you can't do it at all. A minute is a long time. It's the equivalent of 3 to 7 scenes in an average show.
To some extent these are vanity projects from the age of selfies. The sanity of the audience is of less importance than what tree their favorite hunting dog pissed on or whether their roommates tighty whiteys had deeper bacon stripes than theirs.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,366
Carmel Valley, CA
If it's under three minutes, I might watch.
At the same time, these videos are a form of communication among some people, and exist to fullfill that community's desires.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,445
52,342
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
At the same time, these videos are a form of communication among some people, and exist to fullfill that community's desires.
Absolutely true and I'm definitely not their audience. If you're going to provide a review, get on with it and don't hold me hostage while you're warming up.
Ha. Wow, some of you guys are a tough crowd!
Want to see a tough crowd? Be one of the judges at the Academy reviewing candidates for internships. They can spot filler in a nanosecond. The comments are rude and often hilarious. If you haven't put something engaging up on the screen in the first 10 seconds, you're through.

 

nevadablue

Lifer
Jun 5, 2017
1,192
4
Deniz, could you post a link to the place where you read reviews please? I can't find it.
Edit, I think I found it. I am a bit slow... TobaccoReviews.com?

 

bonanzadriver

Can't Leave
Nov 28, 2016
476
6
Ha
I'm sittin up in the mancave, trying my first ever bowl of Seattle Pipe Club Plumb Pudding ( absolutely living up to all the positive comments I've read ) while surfin the web and watching.....
Stuff and Things on youtube. :)
I too feel that Bradley does a pretty good job and discusses a pretty wide variety of , well, er, uhm... stuff & things.
He does a pretty good job of preparing and his production quality, such as it is, seems to work for his vids.
Muttinchop is a very thoughtful and seems like a genuinely nice guy.
Early on I was much more into the pipe resto / refurb videos and watched a lot of Pipeleisure, Briarville Ric and others. Sadly, Ric & Pipeleisure haven't really produced anything in over a year.

 

bonanzadriver

Can't Leave
Nov 28, 2016
476
6
Ash,
I agree with ya.
I talk with Ric once or twice a week. Great guy and definitely covered up with pipe and stem repairs.
He's posted a few videos on fb.
Love the guy. Great sense of humor and seems pretty at ease on camera.
His bro-in-law Joe Case had some nice videos as well, although on pipe making, not repair.

 
Apr 26, 2012
3,712
9,636
Washington State
For the record, very few people in the YTPC (YouTube Pipe Community) make money on videos. I can think of maybe 5 that actually monetize their videos and see a small sum of money. YT puts ads on most video's by individuals that have a large subscriber base or one of their video's reaches a certain number of views. In my case, because I listen to music in the background and usually get hit with a copyright claim; YT automatically put ads on many of my vids. I've never seen a penny from YT, and that's not the reason I do it. I do it for the interaction with individuals, just like the interaction on forums. If someone gets some helpful information out of it then that's great. For those of you "bashing" us unprepared, relighting our pipe, uninformed tobacco reviewers... you try doing it. Let's see how well you can present a pipe and review a tobacco.

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,895
8,905
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
"For those of you "bashing" us unprepared, relighting our pipe, uninformed tobacco reviewers... you try doing it. Let's see how well you can present a pipe and review a tobacco."



I think those who you accuse of 'bashing' don't engage in making such videos not because it is difficult to do but because it is largely a pointless exercise due to personal tastes, biases and such.
Then you get the aforementioned continual pauses for relights and thinking what to say next...folks get bored very quickly. As Jesse points out, if you can't do the review in a minute or two then don't bother.
Some of these videos are as painful as having teeth pulled but as ever, each to his own.
Regards,
Jay.

 
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