Farewell Sutliff Tobacco Company - Monday 3/4/25
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Frog & Fable. I created a thread about them some time ago, but it got deleted.
Right now, they are strictly vaporware. A lot of flowery and over the top gratuity, generic photos, mock bespokeness, but no products.
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I smoked a bowl tonight in a MM Legend that has only seen this blend and some plain burley and Virginia blends. As usual the peach flavor and aroma started to fade by mid bowl. The vanilla aroma started to fade as well. I can’t really taste the vanilla like I can the peach. Maybe the vanilla note is from the brandy, or maybe added flavoring. I couldn’t say. The last third of the bowl tasted like good burley with just a hint of peach and vanilla aroma. Nothing else that I could detect. My palate is so dull I don’t get much in the way of nuance from any blend. The aftertaste was a short lived typical burley aftertaste with a hint of peach.
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With the end of the $800 de minimis tariff exception today on foreign imports and the other new tariffs, the closing of a U.S. domestic manufacturing plant in Richmond VA by STG looks like a terrible decision by our Danish friends. It would have been wise to keep a ta riff-free manufacturing plant in the US open. I hope Leonard is still around to weigh in on that issue.
All Danish imports are subject to the US blanket tariff of 10% now on the EU, and STG lost the ability to have its retailers ship its products to US costumers now in tariff-free orders under $800 de minimis exception which was suspended as of today. We will see…
Stg’s retailer is still in PA and most other non-US retailers don’t ship tobacco oversees.
I’d love to get my pitch fork out with everyone, but this entire things feels like fabricated excitement.
I’d love to get my pitch fork out with everyone, but this entire things feels like fabricated excitement.
It surely does.
It’s not about where the retailer/reseller is located. It’s about where the product is manufactured. And STG closed its only US manufacturing plant in the US. The product has to be shipped from Denmark to PA. Why do you think companies like Apple are reshoring manufacturing to the US? Apple has hundreds of US retailers already.
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Sutliff couldn't make the things STG makes. I thought that was clearly covered in the histerics of 6 months ago? Capacity too small, machinery for things like flakes non-existent.
Well, then the answer was to keep the option open to expand the manufacturing capacity of your US domestic plant, not move everything offshore to Denmark. The world is an entirely different trade zone than it was when STG closed its Sutliff plant in Richmond in December 2024. Those old arguments above in this thread are irrelevant now.
Apple is a US based company who generated $391 billion in 2024 in electronics/software.
STG is a Denmark based company who generated $1.4 billion in 2024 in the tobacco industry.
Fools Folly comparing anything between the two.
STG is a Denmark based company who generated $1.4 billion in 2024 in the tobacco industry.
Fools Folly comparing anything between the two.
I think there's points to both sides but end of the day it's just more of what we already knew was going to happen... at least those paying attention anyway. Quality pipe tobacco is going to continue to become more scarce and more expensive. Period.
Sutliff would have had to pay tariffs on any raw goods they imported too if they still existed... but would also have protected STG from tariffs on anything produced there being sold domestically.
Tariffs or no, I'll still never understand why they were just totally scrapped.
End of the day it's all over now anyway... Just support your local B&M's/Boutiques and keep your cellars stocked and locked
Sutliff would have had to pay tariffs on any raw goods they imported too if they still existed... but would also have protected STG from tariffs on anything produced there being sold domestically.
Tariffs or no, I'll still never understand why they were just totally scrapped.
End of the day it's all over now anyway... Just support your local B&M's/Boutiques and keep your cellars stocked and locked
They only wanted the few Sutliff mega sellers and saw no need to retain an outside facility, particularly one with antiquated equipment.
They considered it much more efficient to consolidate everything at their Assens plant.
They’re all about simplicity and efficiency. Maximum gain with minimum pain.
I wonder if the STG bigwigs are having second thoughts given the tariff situation .
The US is a big market and they have an created an unnecessary hurdle to get over.......
The US is a big market and they have an created an unnecessary hurdle to get over.......
Yes, Apple is a US based company. What’s Fool’s Folly is to leave out that nearly all of Apple‘s iPhones are made offshore in places like China and India, and that as a % of revenue, it’s much cheaper to re-machine a low-tech tobacco plant in Richmond to make Lane’s IQ than to build an IPhone plant in Arizona. But Big Tech is doing just that to avoid tariffs.
In hindsight, STG clearly should have taken a wait and see approach before closing its only US manufacturing facility. That decision is just not going to age well if the U.S. import tariffs continue and all Lanes 1-Q sold in the USA has to be imported from Denmark.
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Consumers have shown STG that they are willing to pay more for tobacco. Especially when their #1 competitor no longer exists.
Oh, and a Federal appeals court shot down the tariffs today.