Ethics/Environmental Concerns Regarding Pipe Tobacco Cultivation
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The scientific method only goes so far in literature, morality, philosophy and religion, and yet these are a huge part of human life. So there's that, which goes to your point, I think.
My experience is that the more broad the rule, the more sub-rules proliferate. If you just stick with expertise and quality of judgment, things work a lot more smoothly.
My experience is that the more broad the rule, the more sub-rules proliferate. If you just stick with expertise and quality of judgment, things work a lot more smoothly.
perdurabo: Unions, government, etc are all part and parcel of the "free market" forces. Unions, and the companies which sign expensive (death warrant?) contracts during times of high profits, government enacting protectionist laws at the behest of farmers and other producers are simply forces in the "free market." Your definition of "free market" is overly narrow and simplistic as I see it. Still, it is your opinion and, as such unassailable.
I purchased a Mercedes as no US manufacturer offered what I wanted in a vehicle. Had Rover offered a US compliant "Defender" I would have purchased one years ago. Still, had I wanted one bad enough I could have imported one and spent a bunch of money to make it legal. No value in that, in my opinion. Rover determined there was only a limited market for that model and elected not to tool up. Free market forces at work. Fiat saw value in Chrysler, I do not know why, and purchased it. I suspect assets and bad management driving value down made it an attractive purchase.
In spite of government regulation I can still buy florescent bulbs, they're labeled "heavy use" or some such, but they are available. Free market forces at work.
China is desperately gathering up dollars, the "Yuan" may soon become the currency of choice internationally. Free market forces at work.
The "free market" is indeed alive and well. The internet is a driving force as I can purchase internationally with little effort. Or, I can look at exchange rates and take a vacation somewhere, purchasing items as I wish.
New York residents drive to the "Indian Country" to bypass certain cigarette taxes. Free market forces at their best.
At one time the US government decided to protect American tobacco growers with taxes and subsidies. Not a free market? Government response to maintain a free market? Now, such subsidies are seen as overly protectionist and offend a part of the market, the antis. Free market forces at work!
Euro down? Buy from the continent!
Don't like American vehicle offerings? There's Japanese, Korean, German, Italian, etc. which may provide what you are looking for. The free market at work!
I have Russian acquaintances who come to the US and spend big bucks to buy what isn't available in Russia. Free market forces at work!
No, the "free market" is alive, well and healthy. The driving forces rise and ebb, gotta be nimble in your response, but the market is full of choices to be considered and either acted on or not. Your choice!
When something stifles your choice, government regulations most likely, wait . . . if the demand is there the free market will respond.
I purchased a Mercedes as no US manufacturer offered what I wanted in a vehicle. Had Rover offered a US compliant "Defender" I would have purchased one years ago. Still, had I wanted one bad enough I could have imported one and spent a bunch of money to make it legal. No value in that, in my opinion. Rover determined there was only a limited market for that model and elected not to tool up. Free market forces at work. Fiat saw value in Chrysler, I do not know why, and purchased it. I suspect assets and bad management driving value down made it an attractive purchase.
In spite of government regulation I can still buy florescent bulbs, they're labeled "heavy use" or some such, but they are available. Free market forces at work.
China is desperately gathering up dollars, the "Yuan" may soon become the currency of choice internationally. Free market forces at work.
The "free market" is indeed alive and well. The internet is a driving force as I can purchase internationally with little effort. Or, I can look at exchange rates and take a vacation somewhere, purchasing items as I wish.
New York residents drive to the "Indian Country" to bypass certain cigarette taxes. Free market forces at their best.
At one time the US government decided to protect American tobacco growers with taxes and subsidies. Not a free market? Government response to maintain a free market? Now, such subsidies are seen as overly protectionist and offend a part of the market, the antis. Free market forces at work!
Euro down? Buy from the continent!
Don't like American vehicle offerings? There's Japanese, Korean, German, Italian, etc. which may provide what you are looking for. The free market at work!
I have Russian acquaintances who come to the US and spend big bucks to buy what isn't available in Russia. Free market forces at work!
No, the "free market" is alive, well and healthy. The driving forces rise and ebb, gotta be nimble in your response, but the market is full of choices to be considered and either acted on or not. Your choice!
When something stifles your choice, government regulations most likely, wait . . . if the demand is there the free market will respond.
I respect your opinion warren, but what you are describing isn't capitalism. Sorry. What you describe is content. Unfettered competition is missing from the free market. Big Business is coddled by big gov. Is there choice? Sure. Most of those choices are being decided for you by technocrats, now. Good argument though.
Not really, since they're restrictions on it. "Free market" means pure freedom of contract.
Some useful resources:
https://www.aei.org/
https://www.fee.org/
http://www.mises.org/
@Perdurabo: Thank you for your explanation. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page with "free market". I must say that if having a free market requires absolutely no government involvement, I am damned glad we don't have one. It would take about one millisecond for some enterprising, business-savvy manufacturer to "streamline" their operation for "maximum competitiveness" by "keeping down overhead" by dumping their waste DiEthylThreeHeadedBabyMaker into the local creek instead of wasting good capital on nuisances like hazmat trucking and waste disposal.
Pretty much any family owned farm is using child labor too anywhere in North America. When it comes time for harvesting or planting schools in small towns don't even bother having class as every kid is busy helping out on the farm. Also apple products use child labor, pretty much every major corporation is using it. Then if you recycle any computer parts they're being stripped of their valuable metals in them using really harsh chemicals with no safety equiment. Then in India children are mining for coal. There's problems in every industry, but if you take that industry away and make it "ethical" then the people have nothing at all. Too many problems in the world to worry about.
I skipped forward and didn't read everything. Here is my opinion.
I officially started working at age 8. I fed calves on Sunday's twice a day and during the summer. I turned out fine despite working my childhood years, teenage years, an now my entire adulthood.
I officially started working at age 8. I fed calves on Sunday's twice a day and during the summer. I turned out fine despite working my childhood years, teenage years, an now my entire adulthood.
I can't really say having a tyranny is a good alternative to anything. Unfortunately it has looked like a good alternative to some countries in the past, and the consequences were horrible for everyone involved, as far as I can tell.
Those individuals who died for our liberties honored us more than we do them, it seems. Sadly.
You're right about personal responsibility being a real bear to wrangle with. I still don't want someone else's lack of it poisoning my groundwater, though.
Those individuals who died for our liberties honored us more than we do them, it seems. Sadly.
You're right about personal responsibility being a real bear to wrangle with. I still don't want someone else's lack of it poisoning my groundwater, though.
My mistake! I thought we were discussing "free market" not capitalism. The terms are certainly not synonyms. I apologize for side tracking as I was obviously confused by the nonchalant use of both terms. They are not interchangeable.
So... back to the question. I would also love to know more about how my tobacco is sourced.
I know that Nestor Plasencia has an organic line of cigars. Not directly related, but at least someone out there is growing organic tobacco. They're pretty good sticks too.
And it's far from a dumb question. Being able to take responsibility for the impact of your actions beyond yourself is the difference between a child and a grownup. Congrats on becoming a man, Macaroon. College is supposed to teach people to think. In my experience it's usually a way for rich kids to avoid growing up, but it actually seems to be working on you. :wink:
I know that Nestor Plasencia has an organic line of cigars. Not directly related, but at least someone out there is growing organic tobacco. They're pretty good sticks too.
And it's far from a dumb question. Being able to take responsibility for the impact of your actions beyond yourself is the difference between a child and a grownup. Congrats on becoming a man, Macaroon. College is supposed to teach people to think. In my experience it's usually a way for rich kids to avoid growing up, but it actually seems to be working on you. :wink:
This looks like it could be tasty. An organic VA grown in the good ol' U. S. of A. Aside from lowered environmental impact, I like the idea of tobacco that is grown and blended the way it would have been done back before all the common chemicals that are in use today. Anyone ever try this?
http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/3991/organic-smoke-inc-kentucky-select-organic
http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/3991/organic-smoke-inc-kentucky-select-organic
Phew! This sure got quite a slew of responses, many more than I expected. The topic of consumer ethics will undoubtedly keep my mind busy long into the future, and you all have given me lots to consider from your information and perspectives. I greatly appreciate all your responses and giving this topic some thought.
And as many have said before, happy puffing! :
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And as many have said before, happy puffing! :
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Certainly got people posting. I'll admit I started skipping over a lot of the political stuff, so I might have missed it, but did anyone find any tobaccos that might fit this category? Looks like the one I posted the review for is no longer in production. Now that this has come up, I'd love to find something organic and grown in the US to try out. I feel a new obsession coming on...
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