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warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Peterson's original sump could be considered engineering. I'm sure there is engineering involved when something new in pipes emerges. The P-lip? Possibly. Twin bored pipes? Certainly. Radical deviations from the norm most likely require a bit of engineering. The original concept of a metal stem/base with screw on bowls surely involved some engineering. There was/is engineering strewn throughout the history of the pipe. Some odd shapes require engineering principals when determining "how in the hell" to get a drilled hole through a severely bent stem and into the proper position in the bowl. After the first, with proper tools now developed (engineered?), it's simply copying what went before.
I think there is some engineering involved whenever something new is developed. After that, the mechanics are simply repeated and sometimes refined. Refining a design may or may not require a bit of engineering. However, miss drilling a hole is a ... mistake ... not engineering unless, of course, the mistake improves the product. Then the maker can puff out the chest and claim to have engineered an improvement. :puffy:
a : the application of science and mathematics by which the properties of matter and the sources of energy in nature are made useful to people

b : the design and manufacture of complex products software engineering
Merriam-Webster citation, underlining mine.

 

captpat

Lifer
Dec 16, 2014
2,388
12,416
North Carolina
Wow, 41 posts on pipes and engineering.
I can't care less. What's important is whether a pipe smokes well, looks good and has an appropriately sized bowl. Whether it was fabricated by an engineer, artisan or a craftsman, or some combination is completely irrelevant.
As an engineer I'll freely admit that fabricating a pipe is beyond my abilities, I do however hold those who do it well in high regard.

 

bassbug

Lifer
Dec 29, 2016
1,177
1,158
I can't care less. What's important is whether a pipe smokes well, looks good and has an appropriately sized bowl. Whether it was fabricated by an engineer, artisan or a craftsman, or some combination is completely irrelevant.
I believe this whole thread was started after my provocative post about how a retailer described a pipe and the maker, using terms like "engineered" in the description to, (in my opinion), justify a price tag of almost $7,000 USD.
I called BS on the whole thing and obviously started a whole debate here.
I'm sorry...Not sorry :)

 

bigpond

Lifer
Oct 14, 2014
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15
Thanks for sharing that story about Rad, Sas. Seems to have a great sense of humor.
On another note, I’m kinda curious about what happens when 3D printed pipes are a thing.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,477
19,066
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
It's simply a rehash of many other posts regarding engineering. Nothing new, same observations simply restated. It's a harmless debate, iterated, reiterated ad nauseam, which amuses some of us when we are particularly bored.

 

cosmicfolklore

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Aug 9, 2013
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A mechanic can tell me that a deisel engine is the best engine possible, easy to fix, very little can go wrong with them, and blah blah blah, but I can still have my own opinion about engines. Engines, pipes, tobacco, tools, it really doesn’t matter. The whole reason for a forum is to engage in discussing things we enjoy. And, a topic like this where there is no correct answer is even better. Thanks for posting this Salt. As always, I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s opinions.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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30,403
Carmel Valley, CA
Growing up, I wanted to be an engineer. Then they switched from coal burning locomotives to diesel, and I decided I wanted to be a pilot.
[ /Emily Latella]

 

seacaptain

Lifer
Apr 24, 2015
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Hey, we can always start some shit. Anyone want to fight me? Bring it on you postmodern believers in made up stuff. I spit at your funny buildings and classical compositions. Perverts. Makes me sick!!! [:puffy:]
Well darn. I wanted to fight you but then realized we're on the same team. Tell them there are only two genders, that will get them going. :P

 

cosmicfolklore

Moderator
Staff member
Aug 9, 2013
35,871
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Between the Heart of Alabama and Hot Springs NC
"Them" I get the feeling that these people are also hipsters? We gotta hate hipsters... :::sigh::: where is Deathmetal when we need him?

Of which, hipsters and postmodernists, I don't really know whether anyone I know is one of these. Is it like vegans or crossfitters, where they just come out and announce what they are when you meet them?

 

kickinbears

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 21, 2018
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8

 

sasquatch

Lifer
Jul 16, 2012
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If there were PMs in play, it wasn't me. I'm happy to be an abrasive asshole right out in public.

 
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