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rokerdepipe

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jul 1, 2014
210
1,642
Ottawa, Canada
www.ericstendal.com
Close the Tobacco Loophole

Time to celler up fellas! The introduction of the End Tobacco Loopholes Act has a number of aims. First, to increase the amount of Federal tax on tobacco products making it more expensive for people to buy. Second, to harmonize the tax rate across tobacco products (currently cigarettes are taxed higher than pipe tobacco, cigars, and smokeless tobacco). Third, this increase, if implemented, would tie any subsequent increases to inflation so the tax cost would automatically rise with inflation. Fourth, by doing this, the government is going to follow individual States’ movement to start taxing vaping products (not that any of us are especially concerned with that!).

So what amount are we talking here? I’ve included the links to the proposed Act along with another link that better explains the government’s aims.

“Section 5701(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking “$2.8311 cents” and inserting “$49.56”.”

This is a huge increase. There has been no federal tobacco tax increase since 1986! This has kept pipe tobacco throughout the US at prices we in Canada drooled over. If this bill passes, that will now come to an end.

Of note, I was recently up in Montreal, Quebec at a pipe store where I purchased a pipe. I was speaking with the one of the owners about the lack of tobacco in the shop. A long while ago, Quebec passed an act that prohibits the selling of any flavoured tobacco. You can imagine the hit that they took on that one! Well, he said that it’s getting really difficult in ordering tobacco from any of their Distributors because the Distributors themselves are having a tough time in purchasing and acquiring the tobacco they need to pump through to the stores. And the number of stores declines over time.

All of this points to a time where tobacco is going to become REALLY expensive for everyone. A nice cellar if you can build one up would be a worthy investment. But make sure you watch for any legislation that limits the legal amount of tobacco any citizen can hold in their own home. We have these limits in Canada. I cringe when I see someone in Canada showing photos of their cellars and posting about how much they have. Shhhhhh! Best to remain mute and confide in a few close friends instead.

Here endeth the Epistle. Thanks everyone!

https://tobaccoreporter.com/2025/03/04/legislation-introduced-to-close-tobacco-loopholes/#:~:text=But%20federal%20law%20has%20not,a%20comparable%20rate%20to%20cigarettes.”

Text of H.R. 1798: End Tobacco Loopholes Act (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us - https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr1798/text
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
22,056
54,274
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
I wish they would fix the typos before printing this stuff.

Anyway, all of this is inevitable.

It’s just a bit murky as to what the typo amounts to in the real world.

Is the tax increase on the tobacco or on the wholesale or retail sale amount?

Currently the biggest cost of the tin of tobacco you buy is the tin. There’s a ton of markup.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
6,143
20,204
Humansville Missouri
This is the only sponsor I see of this bill:

Subramanian Raja Krishnamoorthi


There is just no way under the sun this can become law today. No way imaginable.

He’s doing this to try and win his primary for the Senate.

However, I need to order about 25 pounds of Buoy Gold per month before the November 2026 elections.:)
 

Sig

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 18, 2023
994
5,215
54
Western NY
This will die after the midterms like 100s of other Bills. It's just more typical political BS.
The tobacco business is still large enough that most politicians don't want another thing like the coal mines. Putting thousands of workers and their families into poverty just before big elections wouldn't be great.
If this ever does go through, the native Americans will step up like they did with casinos. They already buy thousands of tons of tobacco and make their own cigarettes and other tobacco products. If people really want to smoke, they may need to travel a bit.
Here in NYS where they made the tobacco taxes ridiculously high, they haven't stopped anyone from smoking. There are enough reservations that pretty much everyone is within an hour from cheap tobacco. The taxes have made cigarettes the new weed. There is a huge black market cigarettes business. A lot of people go to the reservations and buy 20 cartons of cigarettes for $2 a pack. Then they sell them to friends for $5 a pack. In a NYS store, the same cigarettes are $10+ a pack.
Even if they try taxing flavored tobacco, the Indians will make premium pipe tobacco.
If they try making tobacco illegal, tobacco will become the new fentynyl.
Many addicts say it's easier to quit heroin than cigarettes.
This is NOT a political post, and yes, I call them Indians. I know many and that's what they prefer around here.
 

rokerdepipe

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jul 1, 2014
210
1,642
Ottawa, Canada
www.ericstendal.com
We do? What are they?
Yup.

In general it's one Kg (federal) but in fact it varies by province - some are lower. It also varies, in some provinces, with the tax state of the tobacco under scrutiny. Some appear to only apply the one Kg limit to tobacco without stickers indicating taxes paid or receipts available (eg it's tax related). This is true of Federal, Ont and Que. Some (West) limit the possession limit of even fully tax paid stickered tobacco (it's a direct possession limit).

Each province has legislation that indicates the specifics.

For those who live in British Columbia, for example, you cannot have more than 1,000 g (roughly 35 oz) of tobacco - anything more than that and the government suspects illegal activity. Here’s the link to that:


Kind of related is this little quote from Canada’s Tobacco Tax Act:

Deliver or mail
  • 13 (1) No person shall, for consideration, cause a tobacco product to be delivered from one province to another or to be sent by mail unless the delivery or mailing is between manufacturers or retailers or the person is otherwise exempted by the regulations.
Advertising an offer

(2) No person shall advertise an offer to deliver a tobacco product from one province to another or to mail a tobacco product.

So we have some strict regulations many don’t know about or do, and ignore. That’s why I only have a couple of tins in the house at any one time (cough, cough, wink).

E
 
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dd57chevy

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 7, 2023
638
2,111
Iowa
Yup.

In general it's one Kg (federal) but in fact it varies by province - some are lower. It also varies, in some provinces, with the tax state of the tobacco under scrutiny. Some appear to only apply the one Kg limit to tobacco without stickers indicating taxes paid or receipts available (eg it's tax related). This is true of Federal, Ont and Que. Some (West) limit the possession limit of even fully tax paid stickered tobacco (it's a direct possession limit).

Each province has legislation that indicates the specifics.

For those who live in British Columbia, for example, you cannot have more than 1,000 g (roughly 35 oz) of tobacco - anything more than that and the government suspects illegal activity. Here’s the link to that:


Kind of related is this little quote from Canada’s Tobacco Tax Act:

Deliver or mail
  • 13 (1) No person shall, for consideration, cause a tobacco product to be delivered from one province to another or to be sent by mail unless the delivery or mailing is between manufacturers or retailers or the person is otherwise exempted by the regulations.
Advertising an offer

(2) No person shall advertise an offer to deliver a tobacco product from one province to another or to mail a tobacco product.

So we have some strict regulations many don’t know about or do, and ignore. That’s why I only have a couple of tins in the house at any one time (cough, cough, wink).

E
Man , that is creepy ! 3 tubs of Carter Hall could get you 2 years or $50,000 fine ?????
 

fr0st

Starting to Get Obsessed
Feb 7, 2014
178
786
Colorado, USA
The thing I’ve never believed about tobacco taxes is that their purpose is to deter the youth. Thinking back to my time as a teenager, a pack of Camels was about $2 (early/mid 90’s). It wouldn’t have deterred me if they were $5, because a onetime purchase is completely different than an every day cost. The expense only affects regular users.

Tobacco taxes (as with all “sin taxes”) are easy to pass because they don’t effect the majority population, and are seen benefiting public health. They are also very, very profitable.

Regardless, the greedy bureaucracy we call government is totally dependent on these taxes. I think at this point a complete outlaw of tobacco sales is about as likely as ending the lottery.
 

SpuddsBuckley

Might Stick Around
Nov 26, 2024
52
74
Close the Tobacco Loophole

Time to celler up fellas! The introduction of the End Tobacco Loopholes Act has a number of aims. First, to increase the amount of Federal tax on tobacco products making it more expensive for people to buy. Second, to harmonize the tax rate across tobacco products (currently cigarettes are taxed higher than pipe tobacco, cigars, and smokeless tobacco). Third, this increase, if implemented, would tie any subsequent increases to inflation so the tax cost would automatically rise with inflation. Fourth, by doing this, the government is going to follow individual States’ movement to start taxing vaping products (not that any of us are especially concerned with that!).

So what amount are we talking here? I’ve included the links to the proposed Act along with another link that better explains the government’s aims.

“Section 5701(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking “$2.8311 cents” and inserting “$49.56”.”

This is a huge increase. There has been no federal tobacco tax increase since 1986! This has kept pipe tobacco throughout the US at prices we in Canada drooled over. If this bill passes, that will now come to an end.

Of note, I was recently up in Montreal, Quebec at a pipe store where I purchased a pipe. I was speaking with the one of the owners about the lack of tobacco in the shop. A long while ago, Quebec passed an act that prohibits the selling of any flavoured tobacco. You can imagine the hit that they took on that one! Well, he said that it’s getting really difficult in ordering tobacco from any of their Distributors because the Distributors themselves are having a tough time in purchasing and acquiring the tobacco they need to pump through to the stores. And the number of stores declines over time.

All of this points to a time where tobacco is going to become REALLY expensive for everyone. A nice cellar if you can build one up would be a worthy investment. But make sure you watch for any legislation that limits the legal amount of tobacco any citizen can hold in their own home. We have these limits in Canada. I cringe when I see someone in Canada showing photos of their cellars and posting about how much they have. Shhhhhh! Best to remain mute and confide in a few close friends instead.

Here endeth the Epistle. Thanks everyone!

https://tobaccoreporter.com/2025/03/04/legislation-introduced-to-close-tobacco-loopholes/#:~:text=But%20federal%20law%20has%20not,a%20comparable%20rate%20to%20cigarettes.”

Text of H.R. 1798: End Tobacco Loopholes Act (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us - https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr1798/texPardon my language, but this $h!t is f*ck!ng retarded.
Pardon my language, but...

This $h!t is f*ck!ng retard3d.