Elizabethan Mixture Not Good? Is It Just Me?

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markus

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 18, 2014
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I found the warrior Plug here Warrior Plug at Mr. Snuff It wasn't cheap - $21.95, but I'm hoping its worth it. I think they had Mick Mcquaid too. Everything else I ordered from P&C.

I'm not ready to give up the lat blends, I love latakia, so maybe I'll lay low on the lat a little bit. I just get the feeling that I'm missing out on something by not at least giving Va's and VaPer's a shot. I'm definitely looking forward to the plugs, but they all have latakia in them except for the Warrior Plug.

I think that I will like the strength of plugs as well. I have chewed snuff for years and I'm trying to quit now so I'm looking for that nic buzz every now and then to ease the cravings.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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markthelad, don't load up on too many English blends. If you get smoking Va,Vaper and Vabur flakes down, it might ruin your English blends forever, it did that to me. I used to smoke some of the heaviest GL Pease English blends and loved them, never thought I would give up Latakia, tastes change.

 

jazz

Part of the Furniture Now
Feb 17, 2014
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I have been meaning to revisit Elizabethan for a while after my last experience with it. My first tin I thoroughly enjoyed and as a result I bought a second. The first few bowls from the second tin were just as good but then every bowl after until the end was truly awful. For whatever reason and whatever pipe I put it in it was an acrid, harsh and down right unpleasant smoke all round.
It totally confused me at the time as I thought I had found another favourite but was put off for quite a while. To this day I am still unsure what the cause was. I mainly smoke Virginia and VaPer blends and never had a blend turn on me in such a violent way before. The only other blend that has given me such inconsistencies is Full Virginia Flake. I have had without a doubt the most exceptional and mind blowing smokes with that stuff. However, I have also had some of my absolute worst. Go figure.

 

markus

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 18, 2014
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Haha... well cigrmaster, it may unfortunately be a little to late for that. Most of these are English blends except for a few Aro's and a very few recently purchased VaPer's.

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cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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mark, no worries, if your tastes change, sit on those English blends for 10 years and make a killing. I did that with my english blends I had left over. Tins I paid 5.00 were sold for 50-60, a very nice return on investment.

 

JimInks

Sultan of Smoke
Aug 31, 2012
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I don't care much for the new version of Dunhill Elizabethan. Here's my review of it:
I used to smoke this back in the Murray days and wish it was still in production. My wife doesn't because she couldn't stand the smell of this one. Maybe she put a hit on this blend? Seriously, I thought it was a great mixture of Virginia and perique. The perique was peppery with just a little plum taste, and the Virginias were top quality, brown Va. and specs of lemon Va. flakes. It had a nice nic hit and a consistent taste that stayed with you. It always burned perfectly like your best dream. I miss it greatly.
Btw, the Sutliff Match is kind of close, except it has less lemon Virginia than the original. I know it's a close match because it not only tasted much like I remembered, but the second my wife smelled it, she complained it was strong. Five minutes after I started smoking it, she came back to the studio and said, "Are you smoking that crap again? I thought they quit making it." Memories...
8-14-2013 Update: I just tried the new version. I find it a bit different than the Murray's version. Less bright Virginia, less perique, and the cut is not ribbon, but shag, so it burns faster. It tastes similar to the old version, but lighter, and frankly, not as good. I also suspect the tobaccos are young and needs aging. I like it, but I don't love it. 4 stars for old version, two for the new version. I'm rating it at two stars since the old is lamentably dead and gone, and I believe my rating should reflect the current version, which has become a okay starter blend for VaPer newbies. That's not bad in itself, but not what I'm looking for at this point in my smoking life. They should have made the effort to replicate the Murray's version, and not foist a cheaper version on the market under the same name.
And here's my review of the match version, which 4Noggins sells at the best price I have seen:
I’ve compared this to the original (which once was a regular smoke for me) and I'd say this blend is fairly close, but not an exact match. It’s certainly closer than the current DE production by Dunhill, which I consider to be inferior to both the original and the Sutliff Match. The Murray’s version was a little more complex in taste, and had just a little more bright lemon Virginia. The perique is very peppery in both, slightly more plumy here. The brown Virginia is virtually identical. As much as I liked the Murray’s product, I like this Match very much, and would say it may be as close as you can get. A little more sprinkling of lemon Va., and it’d virtually be the same. Because the new version is different from the Murray’s, which is what the Match attempted to copy, I would not consider them to be similar. The proportion of ingredients in the new version is different and the shag cut is as well.
The Murray’s version of DE was one of the very few blends m'lady openly complained about. When they quit making it, she was very happy. A couple of years back, I tried the Match for the first time. Five minutes after I started smoking it, she came back to the studio and said, "Are you smoking that crap again? I thought they quit making it." Telling me that she recognized the smell after several years just struck me kinda funny. That, besides the taste, amplified my assessment that the Match is close indeed.
I gave the Murray's version four stars. Couldn't do that for the new release.

 

markus

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 18, 2014
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Thanks, cigrmaster, that's some valuable knowledge, another reason why I hang around here. I have learned more on this forum as a resource than anywhere else on the internet, or any tobacco shop for that matter.
Jim, I should have read your review before I bought that tin. It was a bit of an impulse buy, I just added it on with a couple other blends at the time.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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They should have made the effort to replicate the Murray's version, and not foist a cheaper version on the market under the same name.
Tradition is always worth upholding.
I have never had the Murray's, but quite enjoy the current Elizabethan Mixture, without anything to compare it to.
However, that 4noggins match looks like something up my alley as well.
I keep eyeing that one Royal Yacht match as well, but I think it must be ordered by the pound. Quite a gamble.

 

shutterbugg

Lifer
Nov 18, 2013
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I keep eyeing that one Royal Yacht match as well, but I think it must be ordered by the pound. Quite a gamble.
If you like RY, smoke RY. Unless you smoke like 10 bowls a day 365 days a year, the cost difference between the real McCoy and a knockoff is not going to put that big of a dent in your piggybank.
As to Elizabethan, I agree with Jim, it's disappointing. Especially after smoking DNR or Escudo. Either one of those VAPers runs taste rings around Elizabethan. Elizabethan may have been a great VAPer in the past, as was Three Nuns, but those days are gone. No point in getting bogged down in the nostalgia of a name and a logo if the blend inside is different in a not-good way.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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Unless you smoke like 10 bowls a day 365 days a year,
10 bowls a day of Royal Yacht sounds like the best year ever. Sign me up! But, point taken, and it's a good one. It may be why I didn't take an exploratory plunge.
Still, you can never have too much Royal Yacht, can you?
Now I've got to crack open the tin of Elizabethan Mixture I have mellowing in my desk.

 
Mar 1, 2014
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Jim, your wife's nose is what sold me on Elizabethan Match. That stuff is one of the tastiest Virginia base blends I've come across. I probably even prefer it to all the VaPer flakes out there because it burns so well.

 

halfy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 6, 2014
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This is the post I was reading last night before I fell asleep. So start a new day with a toast of Elizabethan Mixture!

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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I loaded up a bowl or two today. The Nicotine dose is lower than I remember, and the flavor subtler. I like how it is a Virginia that does not fall into the usual citrus/honey ranges, but has a more delicate flavor that melds nicely with the subdued fruit of the Perique. Oddly I get very little if any "spice" from the Perique. It is very subtle and if it burns too quickly, I imagine it would taste like lightly sweetened ash. Unfortunately, it is a very thin ribbon cut and thus is prone to burn quickly. I want to try this in a bigger pipe because sometimes for me mixtures like this do well when they can roast more than blaze.

 

periquefreak

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Mar 12, 2016
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Interesting take on this. This is my first post and am new to the pipe world. I enjoy hearing everyone's opinion on this popular blend as it one I have been wanting to sample.

 

tarheel1

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 16, 2014
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I find it quite lacking in flavor compared to other Va/per blends. There are many great ones out there to try.

 

zekest

Lifer
Apr 1, 2013
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I have never smoked the original Murray version of Elizabethan, but only the new Dunhill version.
The "new" version of Dunhill Elizabethan is my second favorite, behind my favorite: Cornell & Diehl Bayou Morning.
I must admit, currently I favor the VaPer from C&D named "Exclusive".
Maybe it's because, like Meatloaf sang, I like everything louder than everything else.

 
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