Early carved Peterson query.

[mawnansmiff]

Hello pipe experts, yet again I am seeking your advice. I have here a recent acquisition via Ebay that I would like some info on please. It is stamped 'Peterson's' over 'Dublin' with a stylized & forked 'P' on the smooth heel of the pipe. By the end of the shank is a just discernible 'Made In Ireland'. I can see no other stampings on the pipe or stem. The stem by the way is of the orific style which I believe suggests it may be an early pipe.
If anyone is able to give me a shape or an estimated date for the pipe I would be very grateful. As can be seen there is a huge hole by the button of the pipe which has now been repaired using the technique described by Steve Laug on his excellent website, I just need to work on the stummel to finish it. To me the bend of the stem looks to be too 'straight', would it have left the factory thus?
Any thoughts anyone?
Thanks and regards,
Jay.

 

[jpmcwjr]

How quaint! Especially the hole though the stem. Perhaps for hanging on a nail?
Is this not a bent billiard? And I agree, it'd look better with more shaping.
And the type of finish is Quaint, but no clue on the dating.

 

[ssjones]

Can you post a picture of the nomenclature?
That hole will take some work. And yes, I'd put a little bend back into the stem.
The button doesn't look like a Petersons style to my eye. Is a P visible under magnification? If not,it could be a replacement.

 

[pitchfork]

Another interesting puzzle, Jay. I've never seen rustication like that on a Peterson -- do you think it's original? If so, I wonder if it isn't one of the early attempts at a rusticated finish.

 

[mawnansmiff]

John, yes it is rather quaint but alas not really my cup of tea.
Al, I shall post the picture of the nomenclature in the morning as my PC is shut down for the day. As for the two holes, they fixed up pretty well to my eternal surprise. Still needs a little work to finish though. As for the bit it is an orific style and I do know Peterson's had them as I have a few here. I looked under the microscope and there is no trace of any marks there. Again, I have Peterson pipes with no markings on the stem.
Pitchfork it certainly looks original to me, it goes all over the pipe bar just a baldspot by the heel for the stampings.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[mawnansmiff]

"Is this not a bent billiard?"
Sorry John, my error, of course it's a bent billiard, I meant to write 'what shape number'.
I thought if I had a shape number I might hunt down similar or same pipes on the web and thereby get a fix on a date.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Al, as requested here is a picture of the nomenclature. It's not brilliant but then neither are the stampings.
It is simply stamped 'Peterson's' over 'Dublin' and the 'Made In Ireland' is just discernible to the right and it stamped 'on end'. You may well need to enlarge the image to see the detail.
Hope this might help with a dating.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Pretty sure the finish could be called "quaint", though is it also a rustication? Or are quaints a subset of rustications? Vice-versa?
Inquiring minds and all.....

 

[mawnansmiff]

John, if I recall Barling's had a line of pipes called 'quaint' though whether they were rusticated I can't be certain.
I have searched the web looking for anything similar but just drew a blank. I'm pretty convinced this is an early pipe but I would love to have a rough date and a shape number for it.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[warren]

Home-made attempt at rustication? Appears so to me. It looks as though someone took a wee gouge to it when they were bored.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Warren, I know there are many skilled folks around but I am convinced this is a 'factory job'.
Where do you see a gouge?
Regards,
Jay.

 

[ssjones]

I've never seen a Peterson without the COM. Perhaps someone did rusticate over it? Without the COM, it's difficult to give it a date range. I have a 1930's Dublin/London pipe, which is underneath the Peterson stamp, but it also has the round Made in Ireland (COM). I'm on vacation this week and don't have access to all of my photo files.

 

[warren]

The arc of the cuts makes me think of gouge work. Also, the work doesn't look as though there was any rhyme or reason. No plan as it were. Just doodling with the wood, boredom.

 

[shaintiques]

I concur. I've looked at thousands of Peterson's and never seen a factory pipe with that rustication pattern. I would say it was home done. As for the age, it is definitely pre-republic so that is pre-1949. Based on the made in Ireland the date should fall between 1945-1949.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Warren, my error, I misread your post, sorry 8)
Al, there is a COM stamp, it is 'Made In' over 'Ireland' right at the end of the shank. My last picture is a tad dark but it is there.
Shain, though I am no expert I do have the pipe in hand and it certainly looks to be a factory job to me. To view the carving in the whole there is a definite 'swirl' pattern to it.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[shaintiques]

Why do you think it is a factory job? Anyone with the right tool could make that pattern.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Shain, you are of course correct in what you say. I think what I am trying to say is I feel pretty certain it is a factory job.
I may have a wander over to the Peterson's collector's site and make a few enquiries there.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[warren]

Wander over to the Peterson site and ask. They are usually very good at answering questions.

 

[ssjones]

I can't see the COM but "Made In Ireland" block style was used from '47-'49.

I have not seen a Peterson pipe rusticated in that manner (like a Doodler/Custombilt style).

Good luck on the Peterson forum, I've not been successful in getting comments/feedback.

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