Dunhill Fans...Dark Flake 50g at SP

[cosmicfolklore]

But with certain members actively promotng not sharing knowledge...

That is the worst interpretation of what I said on another thread that I have ever read, ha ha. Giving someone a heads up on advocating other people buy tobaccos that they would be upset if it was no longer available... is a far cry from your assessment. ::

 

[craiginthecorn]

Hoarding, profiteering jerks.

 

[robcapp]

Whilst the cry from the rooftops is unwise.... the retailer is also implicitly responsible.

They should have capped purchases at 2 to 5 tins. They can see how many people are on their notification lists - and that alone should give them guidance as to the demand, versus their supply.

 

[maker]

Dunno why SP doesn't put limits... Hoarders all have alerts at the various sites which all have email alert systems. Funny thing is ,the people posting against letting other forum members know about stock are the biggest hoarders around. Read about them bragging about how they sniped pounds upon pounds of tobacco before anyone else. They go around calling all the vendors and suppliers and producers to find out which tobaccos are in short supply so they are can hoard or resell.

 

[maker]

Dunno why SP doesn't put limits... Hoarders all have alerts at the various sites which all have email alert systems. Funny thing is ,the people posting against letting other forum members know about stock are the biggest hoarders around. Read about them bragging about how they sniped pounds upon pounds of tobacco before anyone else. They go around calling all the vendors and suppliers and producers to find out which tobaccos are in short supply so they are can hoard or resell. Hell, I just wanted 2 tins.

 

[3rdguy]

I was #27. Passed since the Chicago pipe show is this week...

 

[sablebrush52]

Read about them bragging about how they sniped pounds upon pounds of tobacco before anyone else. They go around calling all the vendors and suppliers and producers to find out which tobaccos are in short supply so they are can hoard or resell.

Really? I've never seen a post like that on this forum. Can you point us to any such posts?
A lot of us have been cellaring for years because:
A. A lot of tobacco blends benefit from aging

B. The prices and taxes only go up

C. Blends disappear without warning

D. The anti smoking environment only promises to make things more difficult.
I plan to smoke what I've cellared, and I also enjoy being able to trade with others and send out gifts of unobtainium from time to time. So I'm very happy that I cellared, which anyone else could have done. I only wish I'd started earlier.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Funny thing is ,the people posting against letting other forum members know about stock are the biggest hoarders around.

We've been through this... We are (well, I can only really speak for me) I am not against you telling people that there are blends available. I am not personally against this type of post. I am merely making you and everyone aware that you are not benefitting members of this forum. I have no idea why this is so confusing. But, we are merely letting you know that there are a lot of eyes on posts like this than merely the intended target, assumedly the members. This has gone back since before I even got here. It's not just something I invented.
I am not even against those anonymous eyes buying up all of these blends. And, "hoarding" is not quite the same as people who cellar. A cellar is merely a collection of tobaccos bought for consumption, while a hoarder is someone who buys with multiple intentions, including reselling on the secondary market. And, many of us who cellar will share with fellow friends on the forum occasionally. I have started and have seen many of the folks who cellar start sample threads where we will share some "hard to find" blends with fellow friends on the forum. This is one of the perks of being friends with generous members.
And just to reiterate, I am not "against" any posts that announce that this or that blend is available. Just keep in mind that you are telling the world at large, and not just the immediate forum members. It is probably a pretty good thing to keep in mind for all posts. You're never just talking to people in the threads, but making a public address to the world.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled program... ::

 

[cosmicfolklore]

+1 Sable, I was writing while you posted that. I guess I am just reiterating what you said.

 

[craiginthecorn]

Whilst the cry from the rooftops is unwise.... the retailer is also implicitly responsible.

They should have capped purchases at 2 to 5 tins. They can see how many people are on their notification lists - and that alone should give them guidance as to the demand, versus their supply.

Agreed. Since the perpetrator is SP, I'll give 'em a pass. They're normally on top of this kind of thing. I spoke to customer service on another matter and since I'd received the in-stock notification this morning only to find it sold out a few hours later, I asked about it. I was told that they only received a small portion of their order, but that they were expecting quite a bit more in soon. Perhaps this explains why there was no limit on quantity. Still, it seems logical to limit tins for the first day or two when you have a number of customers subscribed to a back in stock notification. They should at least have a chance to buy a small quantity.

 

[sablebrush52]

You're never just talking to people in the threads, but making a public address to the world.

+1

 

[gkr1]

I think Dunhill Dark flake is no where near as good as DNR.
Whomever bought those dark flake tins have no clue what they are buying, haha! they are buying to resale and to use as trade bait on rooks.
I think SP.COM should put a limit of 5 tins for tins that been out for a while and have limited quantity. Than again, they only care if they make the sales and move product.

 

[k9shag]

I called them and sent an email, asking why they limited Presbyterian and not this to a daily maximum. Their answer was maybe we should have but the Dark Flake is a stock item. My response was a stock item they knew sells out quickly just like Presbyterian. I literally called 8 minutes after receiving the email message saying it was back in. Meaning my email message arrived long after they had sold out. I would expect more from a company such as SP.

 

[cohibajoe]

I get it..Trolls, Hoarders and Re-Sellers. Maybe IRC does is right to notified with a limit. Heck...Last month I picked up

from IRC Esoterica Dunbar and Margate. PM next time.

 

[jpmcwjr]

I'm incensed! Outraged! Or maybe just my feelings were hurt. Dunno, I neither hoard nor eschew expensive tobaccos. I have enough to last a couple of years, but don't subscribe to the notion it will become outlawed in my life time. First, every state has to approve pot sales.....

 

[npod]

First, every state has to approve pot sales.....

:rofl:
But SO true. Marijuana is the face peace and tobacco is the face of evil (or so we have been told).

 

[swilford]

Dunno why SP doesn't put limits...

It's simple: it wasn't obvious before we pushed it, otherwise Bill & co in purchasing would have applied the caps. Moreover, given the sales patterns, it wouldn't have made a tremendous difference. Those 200 tins were split 32 ways, of which exactly two orders were greater than 12 tins each, and none were more than 50. The reason it disappeared quickly is because of a) higher than normal uptake from the notification list, b) quantity distribution clustered about 5, instead of about 2, which would have been more typical for a product with Dark Flake's historical sales characteristics.
This suggests that lots of people were a little nervous about the blend and probably bought about twice what they normally would have with something like this coming back in.
If we apply limits and it's not necessary, it's needlessly inconvenient to those who want 10 or 15 or 20 tins, so we try to only do it when we have a reasonable expectation (backed with a lot of data) that it'll be an issue. Keep in mind that, in hindsight, everything is obvious. Similarly, in hindsight, the Presbyterian limits were probably--barely--unnecessary. We're predicting the future with limited, imperfect information.
Regardless, we've been told that remainder of our order is shipping soon, so we expect that this is a temporary situation.
Sykes

 

[jaytex1969]

Sykes, it's very nice to get first hand information occasionally.
Thanks for taking the time to stop by.
Stop making me spend all of my spare change and eliciting suspicious looks from my wife..
Thanks for everything you do! :lol:

 

[npod]

Sykes, you are wonderful. No doubt, and all praise and glory for you and SPC. But, dude your avatar is scary as hell! The crossed arms with bulky biceps and pipe in mouth with rugged mountains in the background. I’m Italian and Irish mixed and that pose brings up bad memories.
All kidding aside, thanks for posting the clarification.

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

Seems to me anybody interested in purchasing a blend would have signed up for alerts at every retailer they possibly can. So I see little value announcing it here or anywhere else. I personally don't care either. If you're serious about acquiring tobacco, it isn't rocket science to figure out how to get it done. Google and some digging goes a long way. Somebody want Dunhill Dark Flake and missed out at SP? You may pay a little more but I'm confident I could tell you where to buy 20 tins or more tomorrow.
And why assume the people that purchased the larger quantities were doing so in order to flip it later? Perhaps, and more likely, they're purchasing for their own cellar.
It would be great if we could causally pick up whatever blend we want in whatever quantity we want any time. That's obviously not the case. So commit to changing your game plan or pick other blends to buy or do without. I don't see many other choices.