Drilling In Peterson Pipes.

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When I first started smoking Peterson pipes, I noticed that draught hole exit in the mortise was higher than the dead center. I thought that was odd. But the pipe smoked just fine. No gurgling, no moisture issue. Then I heard people complaining about Peterson pipe not passing pipe cleaner test. I thought maybe there's an issue. But didn't bother me much, I always break down my pipes mid-smoke to wipe out possible moisture in the mortise. Then I started smoking System pipes and I found out the reason for the off center drilling. There are few possible answers, but I do not know if any of them are by design, or it's just me seeing the benefit.

1) With draught hole exit drilled higher in mortise, you'll have less chance of moisture from stem going into chamber. 2) Peterson craftsmen are instructed to drill draught hole like System pipes. 3) Peterson craftsmen are so used to working in System pipes, or don't know how else to drill draught hole.

If you look at the diagram below of a System pipe, you will notice that, at least in System pipes, exit is drilled higher by design. This along with other features are in place to give a smoker drier smoke.

Draught hole in fully bent Peterson pipes are all drilled like System pipes. Other less bent pipes are also drilled higher than the center. Most any bent Peterson pipes will not pass pipe cleaner test, but that really doesn't say much other than you don't want to break you pipe down as often as I do.

Since the last change of ownership of Peterson, I noticed the draught hole more towards the center, and some of the pipes having shallower mortise. Not sure what's going on. Maybe just few pipes with different drilling or the owners are listening to pipe cleaner test connoisseurs.

 

[Peterson314]

Mine are pretty dead-center. Sorry for the pictures. I would do better in the sun.

I'm a woodworker and it is really, really hard to drill a long, perfect hole at an angle. If I were on the line at Peterson, perfect draft hole placement would be one of the stand-out features of my higher-end pipes.

My Sherlock is close to dead-nuts center. My System is higher. Could be part of the system.

 

[bullet08]

Mine are pretty dead-center. Sorry for the pictures. I would do better in the sun.

I'm a woodworker and it is really, really hard to drill a long, perfect hole at an angle. If I were on the line at Peterson, perfect draft hole placement would be one of the stand-out features of my higher-end pipes.

My Sherlock is close to dead-nuts center. My System is higher. Could be part of the system.


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Those seems to be draught hole exit in the chamber. Mortise is the other end. Just brought this up because there has been few new members' questions regarding drilling in the mortise end. Of course, there were also questions regarding the hole in the chamber, but I think that's mostly answered/understood at this point. Why is it higher, won't that leave a lot of dottles, can I raise the floor..

 

[ashdigger]

How in the hell is a pipe cleaner supposed to travel through a Plip down a bent pipe stem into an angled bore.

Peterson deliberately makes military mounts on their pipes.

The straight Peterson bulldogs I own pass a pipe cleaner.

I personally think passing a pipe cleaner is more bullshit nonsense pipe lore we have to retire and move on from.

Pass a pipe cleaner or not. The things we stack in our heads is ridiculous when it comes to pipe smoking.

I’d love to see empirical evidence that a 1 mm difference in where the draft hole is matters.

 

[Piping Abe]

How in the hell is a pipe cleaner supposed to travel through a Plip down a bent pipe stem into an angled bore.

Peterson deliberately makes military mounts on their pipes.

The straight Peterson bulldogs I own pass a pipe cleaner.

I personally think passing a pipe cleaner is more bullshit nonsense pipe lore we have to retire and move on from.

Pass a pipe cleaner or not. The things we stack in our heads is ridiculous when it comes to pipe smoking.

I’d love to see empirical evidence that a 1 mm difference in where the draft hole is matters.

Well said +1

 

[Reggie]

When I first started smoking Peterson pipes, I noticed that draught hole exit in the mortise was higher than the dead center. I thought that was odd. But the pipe smoked just fine. No gurgling, no moisture issue. Then I heard people complaining about Peterson pipe not passing pipe cleaner test. I thought maybe there's an issue. But didn't bother me much, I always break down my pipes mid-smoke to wipe out possible moisture in the mortise. Then I started smoking System pipes and I found out the reason for the off center drilling. There are few possible answers, but I do not know if any of them are by design, or it's just me seeing the benefit.

1) With draught hole exit drilled higher in mortise, you'll have less chance of moisture from stem going into chamber. 2) Peterson craftsmen are instructed to drill draught hole like System pipes. 3) Peterson craftsmen are so used to working in System pipes, or don't know how else to drill draught hole.

If you look at the diagram below of a System pipe, you will notice that, at least in System pipes, exit is drilled higher by design. This along with other features are in place to give a smoker drier smoke.

Draught hole in fully bent Peterson pipes are all drilled like System pipes. Other less bent pipes are also drilled higher than the center. Most any bent Peterson pipes will not pass pipe cleaner test, but that really doesn't say much other than you don't want to break you pipe down as often as I do.

Since the last change of ownership of Peterson, I noticed the draught hole more towards the center, and some of the pipes having shallower mortise. Not sure what's going on. Maybe just few pipes with different drilling or the owners are listening to pipe cleaner test connoisseurs.

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I have observed the same ,as far as, the hole draft hole being drilled high in the mortise. I assumed the same that it was to prevent moisture from draining into the chamber.

 

[Peterson314]

Those seems to be draught hole exit in the chamber. Mortise is the other end. Just brought this up because there has been few new members' questions regarding drilling in the mortise end. Of course, there were also questions regarding the hole in the chamber, but I think that's mostly answered/understood at this point. Why is it higher, won't that leave a lot of dottles, can I raise the floor..

Ah. I didn't catch that you were talking about the draught hole in the mortise. I shoulda read closer.

Well, in my 314 and in my Sherlock, the draught hole in the mortise starts higher than dead-nuts center because the drill bit needs to drill in at a pretty good angle to make a straight line bore in such a curved pipe as the 314 and the Calabash. Starting higher gives just enough room to make the cut.

I don't think it matters other than aesthetics.

 

[crusader]

The only point about passing a cleaner becomes relevant to me is when I over tamp and restrict the draw by accident.

 

[Chasing Embers]

How in the hell is a pipe cleaner supposed to travel through a Plip down a bent pipe stem into an angled bore.

I don't think anyone has complained about the system pipes, nothing is meant to line up in them due to the moisture trapping feature. When regular shaping has off drilling, that's when I find it bothersome.

 

[ashdigger]

I don't think anyone has complained about the system pipes, nothing is meant to line up in them due to the moisture trapping feature. When regular shaping has off drilling, that's when I find it bothersome.

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Bothersome aesthetically or functional?

These are tobacco pipes after all.

 

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I don't think anyone has complained about the system pipes, nothing is meant to line up in them due to the moisture trapping feature. When regular shaping has off drilling, that's when I find it bothersome.

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You know, if you bend the cleaner a little, it will reach the chamber x)

 

[irishearl]

Bothersome aesthetically or functional?

These are tobacco pipes after all.

Off-centered drilling-and have few pipes of any brand I own where it is centered-hasn't made 1 whit of difference in my smoking experience. As to the pipe cleaner business, if a smoke gets wet before I'm done with it, I take the stem out and use the cleaner with stem and/or mortise. Then put it back and resume smoking. No big deal.

 

[OzPiper]

This problem is not restricted to Petes
I have other pipes where this happens - either by design or because of the angulation of the shank.

It’s NOT a deal breaker as far as I’m concerned.
Easy fix with a cleaner

 

[Piping Rooster]

The reason they are drilled high is the angle of the mortise in relation to the bottom if the chamber. It has to be that way to line up with the bottom of the chamber. Any lower angle and you drill the outer edge of the mortise top.

 

[georged]

Another thread on this subject a few months ago:

Before Using Your Pipes as Flower Pots or Throwing Them in a Landfill, do this... :: Pipe Talk

Because geometry tolerates no argument, sometimes the bottom-dead-center of a pipe's tobacco chamber and the bullseye-dead-center of its mortise floor cannot be connected with a straight line. It isn't a brand-dependent thing, or even (necessarily) a "quality thing". It's simply three...

pipesmagazine.com

 

[Davy]

System pipes aside and full bent shapes aside (say, an Oom Paul) as well, doesn't anyone wonder why pipe manufacturers and artisans insist on aligning the air channels properly?
If there's no rationale to it, why have they spent (and still do) more considerable time ensuring this, instead of saying screw this, it's a waste of time?
That can't only be related to the convenience of passing a pipe cleaner without breaking the stem.

 

[craig61a]

Another thread on this subject a few months ago:

Before Using Your Pipes as Flower Pots or Throwing Them in a Landfill, do this... :: Pipe Talk

Because geometry tolerates no argument, sometimes the bottom-dead-center of a pipe's tobacco chamber and the bullseye-dead-center of its mortise floor cannot be connected with a straight line. It isn't a brand-dependent thing, or even (necessarily) a "quality thing". It's simply three...

pipesmagazine.com

Several times per year for several years… and nothing ever gets resolved.

 

[craig61a]

It’s got a hole in both ends and smoke comes out when I suck on it… fabulous.

Poul Winsløw cranks out a lot of pipes, and I’m a big fan of his pipes. If one were to look at how the chamber and airway are drilled in his pipes, then you’d get an idea of how, in my opinion, it should be done.

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

I always chuckle when people claim they wont smoke Oom Pauls because they wont pass a pipe cleaner. Oh well, more Oom Paul's for me. I personally love a well executed full bent Hungarian, even the ones that wont pass a cleaner . My new Pete Pub pipe smokes like a champ.

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

Alternatively you could use a 9mm filter pipe with the cartridge space left empty.