Normal behavior. I've seen videos of child abusing women that were worse. And those women normally got probation or 3 years
Down Below Isn't Bad Enough for Some People
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There are times when my career as a veterinarian, and my side gig of being an "expert" witness in 2a court cases work together.
Many local departments come to me for animal abuse cases. They know that with my extensive court experience, and my professional experience with animals, I'll get the job done.
Unfortunately the punishment for such abuse is far too lenient. Luckily back in 2019 the federal government made some animal abuse offenses a felony. This can at LEAST get someone 1+ years in prison, and a felony record.
Many local departments come to me for animal abuse cases. They know that with my extensive court experience, and my professional experience with animals, I'll get the job done.
Unfortunately the punishment for such abuse is far too lenient. Luckily back in 2019 the federal government made some animal abuse offenses a felony. This can at LEAST get someone 1+ years in prison, and a felony record.
That is the root problem, isn't it?
There were some teenagers caught in Kansas City a few years ago competing to see who could kick puppies and kittens the farthest. Both "punt" style and "field goal" style where the animal would be held by in place by two of the "competitors".
No, I'm not kidding. (They video'd themselves doing it, and there were witnesses)
What happened to them? A judge decided punishing them would only make the situation worse by creating more resentment and hatred in their hearts toward the world, and let them go with a finger-wag.
If I had been the judge?
One of these.
For how long?
Until the job was done. Throw away the key.
sadly it seems true. PETA is not great, which is sad because many people join them or support them with 100 percent good intentions.I don't know how true it is ... but I saw an article in the last couple of weeks that said PETA terminates 92% of its rescues ... (???)
One issue with their so called rescues is that the people who run them think having pets is a form of slavery. Which frankly is insane.
so precious. All my kitties have been foundlings or rescues. They always have issues but also seem to know how lucky they are to have the life they have now.
My current cat was so abused he trembled the first time he sat in my lap. Now he's the biggest cuddle bug ever his favorite is when I play video games and he gets a human as a bed for the day.
I recently spoke to someone who supports them who informed me that they get called in for the worst abuse case rescues and that's why the percentage is so high. In many cases the animals cannot be saved. But again I do not know if this if true as there are several good supported shelters around my area that take in animals no questions asked so I am not familiar with PETA.
Those scums.. Child abuse, women abuse, and animal abuse deserve capital punishment. Those can't be cured.
Hard agree.
It's always the shittiest of the shit people who do that, too, sometimes you can tell from their overall posture and appearance. Once I was sitting in a taverna in Greece with a group of people, including two other guys who're totally sweet but can get rough if needed. A shithead in a fedora - it's always them in fedoras - punched his girlfriend in the stomach out of the blue, plus she was wearing very baggy clothing which the women in the group later said she could have been early stages of pregnancy. Without a second thought we three got up - all of us pretty big guys - and just stood over him and asked him to apologise, never do it again and fuck off. He shrunk into the floor, muttered an apology and left, the rest of the taverna applauded.
PETA definitely has their issues.
I wasnt going to comment on this, but I decided to chime in.
This is a controversial take, but necessary sometimes.
PETA does euthanize a lot of animals. So do many other shelters. And its not just because the animals are beyond help.
Here's the thing, shelters become extremely overcrowded.
For instance....
Our local Humane Society used to euthanize 4000+ animals a year. We are a very rural community with only about 200,000 people in a huge county, so 4000 is a big number.
The local HS can hold about 150 dogs and cats. They get calls for 50+ a WEEK. Those numbers dont add up.
Due to people with good intentions, but limited knowledge, our local HS became a "no kill" shelter about 10 years ago.
Sinse then, the take in about 10% of the needy animals. What happens to the rest? They literally dont care. They suggest looking for friends or family to take the animals, or put an add in the paper.
From my career I have heard a LOT of people who extremely regrettably say they just leave lost or injured pets alone. I have heard many rural people and farmers say they keep a 22 rifle loaded just for injured cats.
These are NOT bad people. These are good people who, knowing the only local shelter will do nothing, rather quickly end an injured animals life than watch them suffer.
The local HS doesn't even do abuse cases anymore because they do not have the resources. Each town has a local animal control officer, but they do very little. They also have very few resources, and most have no area to care for animals. They just report abuse cases to the local sheriff. The sheriff can only ticket and charge people. The animal control officers rely on citizen foster homes, which are very limited.
There are a few other very small no kill shelters and rescues run from people's homes, but they are always full.
So, we have room for about 300 dogs and cats in local shelters/rescues. But there are daily calls for farms full of sick and dying cats and dogs. There are daily abuse calls. Puppy mill calls, injured animal calls, lost pet calls, found pet calls.
Its to the point that if you find a stray cat or dog, the local shelters and animal control will LITERALLY say they are sorry, and hang up on you.
365 days a year I get calls for injured, lost, or found pets. Don't tell anyone, but I take them all.
I am lucky enough to have a good network of dedicated suckers.....I mean friends, who help me "find room" in their homes. We are the ONLY ones who work with out of the area rescues to find homes. We will find a way to get a pet anywhere they need to go. I have personally driven pets 1000 miles to new homes.
But, even we have limits. The enormous numbers of pets needing homes greatly outnumber the amount of homes we can find.
Until there are laws that restrict breeding, this will just get worse.
Ill stop here.
My point is, sometimes euthanasia is a better option that saying you're sorry and hanging up on someone with a lost or sick stray.
Sometimes there are no good answers.
Thank you for chiming in to the conversation; your perspective being in the business is far more valuable than internet speculation and thank you for all you are able to do to maintain a caring world !PETA definitely has their issues.
I wasnt going to comment on this, but I decided to chime in.
This is a controversial take, but necessary sometimes.
PETA does euthanize a lot of animals. So do many other shelters. And its not just because the animals are beyond help.
Here's the thing, shelters become extremely overcrowded.
For instance....
Our local Humane Society used to euthanize 4000+ animals a year. We are a very rural community with only about 200,000 people in a huge county, so 4000 is a big number.
The local HS can hold about 150 dogs and cats. They get calls for 50+ a WEEK. Those numbers dont add up.
Due to people with good intentions, but limited knowledge, our local HS became a "no kill" shelter about 10 years ago.
Sinse then, the take in about 10% of the needy animals. What happens to the rest? They literally dont care. They suggest looking for friends or family to take the animals, or put an add in the paper.
From my career I have heard a LOT of people who extremely regrettably say they just leave lost or injured pets alone. I have heard many rural people and farmers say they keep a 22 rifle loaded just for injured cats.
These are NOT bad people. These are good people who, knowing the only local shelter will do nothing, rather quickly end an injured animals life than watch them suffer.
The local HS doesn't even do abuse cases anymore because they do not have the resources. Each town has a local animal control officer, but they do very little. They also have very few resources, and most have no area to care for animals. They just report abuse cases to the local sheriff. The sheriff can only ticket and charge people. The animal control officers rely on citizen foster homes, which are very limited.
There are a few other very small no kill shelters and rescues run from people's homes, but they are always full.
So, we have room for about 300 dogs and cats in local shelters/rescues. But there are daily calls for farms full of sick and dying cats and dogs. There are daily abuse calls. Puppy mill calls, injured animal calls, lost pet calls, found pet calls.
Its to the point that if you find a stray cat or dog, the local shelters and animal control will LITERALLY say they are sorry, and hang up on you.
365 days a year I get calls for injured, lost, or found pets. Don't tell anyone, but I take them all.
I am lucky enough to have a good network of dedicated suckers.....I mean friends, who help me "find room" in their homes. We are the ONLY ones who work with out of the area rescues to find homes. We will find a way to get a pet anywhere they need to go. I have personally driven pets 1000 miles to new homes.
But, even we have limits. The enormous numbers of pets needing homes greatly outnumber the amount of homes we can find.
Until there are laws that restrict breeding, this will just get worse.
Ill stop here.
My point is, sometimes euthanasia is a better option that saying you're sorry and hanging up on someone with a lost or sick stray.
Sometimes there are no good answers.
20 years ago one of the national magazines did an article on petals. Their highest ranking members had just built a 20 pallette commercial freezer to store all of the rescued cows and exotic game animals
There are merci killing, and there are clear case of abuse. When an animal is sick and no longer can have a quality life, some are put down. I'm fine with that. Sometimes. there are just too many of them and there is no reasonable way to care for them. If no one can take them into their care, I see why a city or an authority will put some down. As hard as it is, I understand that. But when someone's hurting animals for their kicks, enjoyment or sick mind.. Let's save the world and put them away for good.PETA definitely has their issues.
I wasnt going to comment on this, but I decided to chime in.
This is a controversial take, but necessary sometimes.
PETA does euthanize a lot of animals. So do many other shelters. And its not just because the animals are beyond help.
Here's the thing, shelters become extremely overcrowded.
For instance....
Our local Humane Society used to euthanize 4000+ animals a year. We are a very rural community with only about 200,000 people in a huge county, so 4000 is a big number.
The local HS can hold about 150 dogs and cats. They get calls for 50+ a WEEK. Those numbers dont add up.
Due to people with good intentions, but limited knowledge, our local HS became a "no kill" shelter about 10 years ago.
Sinse then, the take in about 10% of the needy animals. What happens to the rest? They literally dont care. They suggest looking for friends or family to take the animals, or put an add in the paper.
From my career I have heard a LOT of people who extremely regrettably say they just leave lost or injured pets alone. I have heard many rural people and farmers say they keep a 22 rifle loaded just for injured cats.
These are NOT bad people. These are good people who, knowing the only local shelter will do nothing, rather quickly end an injured animals life than watch them suffer.
The local HS doesn't even do abuse cases anymore because they do not have the resources. Each town has a local animal control officer, but they do very little. They also have very few resources, and most have no area to care for animals. They just report abuse cases to the local sheriff. The sheriff can only ticket and charge people. The animal control officers rely on citizen foster homes, which are very limited.
There are a few other very small no kill shelters and rescues run from people's homes, but they are always full.
So, we have room for about 300 dogs and cats in local shelters/rescues. But there are daily calls for farms full of sick and dying cats and dogs. There are daily abuse calls. Puppy mill calls, injured animal calls, lost pet calls, found pet calls.
Its to the point that if you find a stray cat or dog, the local shelters and animal control will LITERALLY say they are sorry, and hang up on you.
365 days a year I get calls for injured, lost, or found pets. Don't tell anyone, but I take them all.
I am lucky enough to have a good network of dedicated suckers.....I mean friends, who help me "find room" in their homes. We are the ONLY ones who work with out of the area rescues to find homes. We will find a way to get a pet anywhere they need to go. I have personally driven pets 1000 miles to new homes.
But, even we have limits. The enormous numbers of pets needing homes greatly outnumber the amount of homes we can find.
Until there are laws that restrict breeding, this will just get worse.
Ill stop here.
My point is, sometimes euthanasia is a better option that saying you're sorry and hanging up on someone with a lost or sick stray.
Sometimes there are no good answers.