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anotherbob

Lifer
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Nice! I wonder if they ship to Japan. Grousemoor I’m pretty sure I can get. I almost bought that once. I will try it down the line. I have Kendal Flake and I haven’t really tried it. The ones that have been really bothering me are Solani Red and Connoisseur and Mac Vanilla. I think when they’re wet of course they bite terribly but when they’re too dry there’s no flavor at all. Anyway, I’m repeating myself. I really do appreciate all the recommendations. I will come back to this thread in the future. Grousemoor is one I already have in my head.
Oh and another thing I don't know if anyone mentioned. But sometimes certain blends bother certain people. Some blends just bite certain people. It seems like the reasons can vary from just certain type of leaf or processing of that leaf, certain flavors, certain styles (i.e. any blend with a certain combination of leaf), and it isn't always obvious what is causing that problem. So there is also the chance that certain blends just don't play nice with you.
 
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Welcome to the dark side. I'm an inside smoker most of the time. My wife, lucky for me, found aro smells too sweet. Great for me cause I don't smoke aros.
I started warming her up with pleasant smelling sweet virginias. She loves the smell. She warmed up to dark fired and Lakeland blends. She's now accepting of all my favorites , but especially straight Virginias.

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milk

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Oh and another thing I don't know if anyone mentioned. But sometimes certain blends bother certain people. Some blends just bite certain people. It seems like the reasons can vary from just certain type of leaf or processing of that leaf, certain flavors, certain styles (i.e. any blend with a certain combination of leaf), and it isn't always obvious what is causing that problem. So there is also the chance that certain blends just don't play nice with you.
I was wondering if one particular tobacco I smoked bothered me and affected my enjoyment of general smoking for a time.
Welcome to the dark side. I'm an inside smoker most of the time. My wife, lucky for me, found aro smells too sweet. Great for me cause I don't smoke aros.
I started warming her up with pleasant smelling sweet virginias. She loves the smell. She warmed up to dark fired and Lakeland blends. She's now accepting of all my favorites , but especially straight Virginias.

Good luck
I haven’t really tried. I assumed, when my neighbor objected to my smoking on the stoop, that I should take up aros, but I might have been entirely wrong. I’m going to go back to what I first liked, which is Virginia flakes. Maybe my wife will like it. It may be that the sugars in the aros, or one particular aro I’ve been smoking, bother/bothered me. I will try the aros again someday though because I went a little nuts with my buying. Let them age I guess.
 
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…and my family is going to suffer (with the smell of non-A’s) I guess. I’m just no good at this and I know it probably comes down to bad technique. I had smoked Virginia tobaccos for a few years and had few or no problems. At that time, I mostly enjoyed stuff like Full Virginia Flake, and University Flake. I quit pipe-smoking for a few years. Now I’ve come back to pipe smoking and I’ve started out with aromatics because of the family and my needing to smoke indoors. At first, I got a lot of flavor from aromatics but then the problems started. Of course I’ve been having tongue bite like I’ve never had it before. But I’ve also had a problem of flavor and getting the humidity just right. It seems like all these tobaccos I’ve tried (Solani Red, Blue Note, Mac Vanilla Cream) provided me great flavor at first but then have no flavor when they’re too dry or too wet. I feel very frustrated with not being able to tell the exact right state they are supposed to be in and I feel like plain old flakes were never this finicky. I’ve really been trying hard with all these aromatics I’ve bought. I’ve even been jarring them with Boveda at 62%. If they’re too wet, I steam my tongue; if they’re too dry, there’s just no flavor at all. Should I just come back to these aromatics later? My mouth is in pretty bad shape. They’ve got me really frustrated. They just seem so fussy to me. I know experienced smokers can get it just right by the feel of it. I can tell when it’s very wet or very dry but I’m not at the point where I can get it exactly right and the smoke is thus unenjoyable. I’m thinking of going back to those days I fondly remember with my plain flakes. Maybe I’ll try Best Brown Flake or Peterson’s (Dunhill?) Flake which seem to have less offensive room notes than stronger Virginias or those English varieties I never got around to trying (I guess those are out if I don’t want my family to kick me out of the house?).
Giving up after trying only three Aromatics is a bit premature. I highly recommend Sutliff Creme Brulee.
 
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I thought so but it seems like when I dry it a bit if I overshoot, I lose all flavor completely. Maybe I just need more patience. Do you think aromatics are fussier? Or is it just me that’s doing something wrong?
I've always felt Pipe Tobacco should be treated no differently than Cigars. If a Cigar is ruined by drying it out why would pipe tobacco be any different?
That being said, all the tools we need to maintain moisure are commonly available.
 
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Worknman

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Most straight virginias actually have a pleasant room note in my experience.

How many bowls do you smoke a day? If I smoke more than one or two bowls a day my tongue starts to get a little sore no matter what. Id call it tongue fatigue more than I would tongue bite. I dont see how people smoke all day long.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
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I've always felt Pipe Tobacco should be treated no differently than Cigars. If a Cigar is ruined by drying it out why would pipe tobacco be any different?
That being said, all the tools we need to maintain moisure are commonly available.
because they're different things. Constructed in different ways. And cheroots are a type of cigar too and they're supposed to be dry so.... Do what makes you happy with your smoking, but the it works for cigars so must be the same with pipes doesn't add up too good in my opinion. And I think it's worth stating because that's a philosophy that could certainly help newbs not enjoy their pipes.
 

milk

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Most straight virginias actually have a pleasant room note in my experience.

How many bowls do you smoke a day? If I smoke more than one or two bowls a day my tongue starts to get a little sore no matter what. Id call it tongue fatigue more than I would tongue bite. I dont see how people smoke all day long.
I’ll try Virginias then for a while. I only smoke a bowl or two at night. I also can’t imagine smoking all day. But, I’ve also never got into straight burley. Are burley-s very mild? Maybe that extends the possibility of smoking more?
because they're different things. Constructed in different ways. And cheroots are a type of cigar too and they're supposed to be dry so.... Do what makes you happy with your smoking, but the it works for cigars so must be the same with pipes doesn't add up too good in my opinion. And I think it's worth stating because that's a philosophy that could certainly help newbs not enjoy their pipes.
Isn’t it easier to bring pipe tobacco back? I was into Cuban cigars for a long time and I always viewed them as very delicate babies.
 

novaki

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@milk this might have already been suggested, but have you tried using a filter to help control moisture / humidity. I live in a hot and humid state, and it's almost a necessity for me. 9mm tends to work better because I find I don't have to draw as hard as with a 6mm.

Edit: I should probably add that controlling the moisture is a round about way of also controlling heat / tongue bite.
 

dctune

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My 2 cents: I’m not very adept at aros either. But I’ll say this: I have encountered non-aro Virginia blends bf that are so masterfully crafted, when I opened the bag I swore they were aromatics. One such blend is called Kingsfoil and is made by The Country Squire. Might be difficult to get as you’re in Japan, but I’m sure there are others.

One other thing you might try is English blends that make use of Cavendish. I know some might say those aren’t true English blends, but many of them have a hint of aro flavor & a rather pleasant room note.

Best of luck.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
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I’ll try Virginias then for a while. I only smoke a bowl or two at night. I also can’t imagine smoking all day. But, I’ve also never got into straight burley. Are burley-s very mild? Maybe that extends the possibility of smoking more?

Isn’t it easier to bring pipe tobacco back? I was into Cuban cigars for a long time and I always viewed them as very delicate babies.
pipe tobacco will be fineish rehydrated. 0ost people don't notice a difference.
 

milk

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pipe tobacco will be fineish rehydrated. 0ost people don't notice a difference.
I’ve acquired a bunch of estate pipes over the last few months, mostly Danish. It may sound silly, but I’m not sure if they take filters. It’s a silly question: most pipes like 60s Stanwells can accept filters?
 
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because they're different things. Constructed in different ways. And cheroots are a type of cigar too and they're supposed to be dry so.... Do what makes you happy with your smoking, but the it works for cigars so must be the same with pipes doesn't add up too good in my opinion. And I think it's worth stating because that's a philosophy that could certainly help newbs not enjoy their pipes.
The existence of "some" cigars that people know not to hydrate only reinforces my point that the cigar crowd is one step ahead of the game by having a clinical definition of how much moisture a blend should have.
The way many pipesmokers act would be the same as a person trying to say "I smoke all my cigars bone dry", but no matter how polite a crowd is you would never be taken seriously if you did.
 

Pipingntrucking

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Nice! I wonder if they ship to Japan. Grousemoor I’m pretty sure I can get. I almost bought that once. I will try it down the line. I have Kendal Flake and I haven’t really tried it. The ones that have been really bothering me are Solani Red and Connoisseur and Mac Vanilla. I think when they’re wet of course they bite terribly but when they’re too dry there’s no flavor at all. Anyway, I’m repeating myself. I really do appreciate all the recommendations. I will come back to this thread in the future. Grousemoor is one I already have in my head.
I have smoked quite a few tins of Mac Baren Vanilla and Vanilla Creme. For me the trick is to load the bowl lightly. Put some in.....tap the side of the bowl a couple of times to let the tobacco work its way down then lightly fill again. Repeat as necessary for bowl size but don't press pack. The 3 Mac Barens I have tried so far- all aro's , benefit from this method.
Oh and smoke at a slow contemplative pace. Smoke volume doesn't equate to taste. Usually just overheating which leads to bite and no taste. If having a hard time slowing down your pace then let some air draft in between your lips and the bit to change the air to smoke ratio.
 
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brian64

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Re: cigars vs pipes...my two cents is it has a lot to do with how you smoke a pipe vs how you smoke a cigar. I wouldn't say it's a necessity to dry out pipe tobacco before smoking as long as you don't mind numerous relights. Maybe others are more adept than me, but I can't smoke moist tobacco in a pipe no matter how I pack it without either multiple relights or a lot of puffing...both of which result in tongue bite. Maybe some people have much less sensitive tongues...mine can't endure continual puffing or constant relights.

As far as flavor loss, in my experience it depends mostly on how long the tobacco has been dry...obviously you don't want to store it dry for very long. Aromatics in general, including latakia blends, do seem to lose flavor more easily if too dry, but it's not much of an issue with VA/burley/perique blends unless dry for too long.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
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The existence of "some" cigars that people know not to hydrate only reinforces my point that the cigar crowd is one step ahead of the game by having a clinical definition of how much moisture a blend should have.
The way many pipesmokers act would be the same as a person trying to say "I smoke all my cigars bone dry", but no matter how polite a crowd is you would never be taken seriously if you did.
well you know except for the fact that unlike a cigar there is a range of moisture that works. In part because you know that step where you pack the pipe and have more control over draw and how it burns.
I am really struggling right now to find the right phrase.... It says something about apples and oranges and doing something with them.
Though being inspired by this weird assumption that base material equals basically same thing I am going to make a sandwich with two crotons.