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Two US Navy sailors arrested on charges of sharing secrets with China
The two have been arrested on charges of handing over sensitive national security material to China, U.S. officials said Thursday.
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Does the US Military Still Execute Spies Discovered Within its Ranks?
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Hm.
Did some digging after posting.
Looks like the spies will be getting a parade and national holiday named after them.
The US military can no longer deal with its own bad actors. The UCMJ---Uniform Code of Military Justice---was de-activated (for lack of a better term) by presidential order just last week. Military crimes are now the purvue of federal employees OUTSIDE the military.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry. The purpose couldn't be more transparent.
I truly didn't think I'd ever live long enough to see something like this.
Did some digging after posting.
Looks like the spies will be getting a parade and national holiday named after them.
The US military can no longer deal with its own bad actors. The UCMJ---Uniform Code of Military Justice---was de-activated (for lack of a better term) by presidential order just last week. Military crimes are now the purvue of federal employees OUTSIDE the military.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry. The purpose couldn't be more transparent.
I truly didn't think I'd ever live long enough to see something like this.
There’s another pipe forum for those thin-skinned types. The difference is pretty clear. And I like it that way.
The change is that unit commanders can no longer be the judge and jury, carrying out "Non-judicial punishment". My understanding is that those crimes will be judicially punished instead and this is mostly for sexual assault cases. The regulations within the UCMJ still stand, it appears they will just be escalated above the commanding officer for punishment, which is probably a good thing. NJPs aren't always just, and the punishment doesn't always fit the crime, interpersonal relationships as well as mission requirements sometimes influence the commanders decision.
I was thinking yes in time of war; no at other times. Sorry to be serious!
And please avoid politics!
And please avoid politics!
Sorry. Bad luck, there.
I had no idea that recent political BS would affect 250+ years of military policy/procedure until looking into the spy question. (The UCMJ takeover happened just days ago)
if the spy is a foreign national legally they can do whatever the heck they want to. It's actually legal in any country. But if the spy is an American they can still do whatever they want to them but there are rules they have to pretend to follow. Yeah the suspect jumped out of the plane into the volcano we were circling.... Nothing we could do about it.Two US Navy sailors arrested on charges of sharing secrets with China
The two have been arrested on charges of handing over sensitive national security material to China, U.S. officials said Thursday.
The fact that they're in the military means it's got it's own set of rules, because you really do sign a lot of rights away when you join up.
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Are you talking about executive order 14062? Thanks for giving me a reason to go over it and not just read the admin info release. It doesn't affect espionage at all so no application to the original question, and it changes "Non-judicial punishment" to "court martial". Court martial is still a military judge. The military is not taking over the military.
That seems a bit...ummm...self preservationist?
Layers of politicized confusification, then.
(also, did you mean to type "the politicians are not taking over the military" for that last line?)
In any event, to mess with a complex construct that evolved over centuries is not a good idea as a categorical thing.
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