Does Anyone Know What Jin Shin Jyutsu Is?

[foggymountain]

It is a Japanese healing art. Sounds like snake oil when you hear about it, but if done by a qualified practitioner, it is enormously effective. The residents of New Jersey are about to lose their JSJ treatments because of a careless and ignorant law that might be passed. In order to eliminate unlicensed massage (houses of prostitution in the minds of the lawmakers) they are considering a bill that requires a massage license for hands on treatments. JSJ is hands on a fully clothed body. It would fall by the wayside, and cause fatalities to the sick and elderly. I have written to the governor to request an exception for JSJ. Would appreciate any help with this, even though I live in NY. Please do not say anything bad about Governor Christie or Lawrence will delete this post. It is not political, it is about health and the needless execution of the old folks. May the gods help out!

 

[pipestud]

Don't want to tick you off, foggy, especially considering the fact that you look like a pretty tough fellow (if your avatar is accurate), but I think that making sure that skilled JSJ massage administrators rather than quacks who claim to be professionals and stick a shingle above their doors is a good thing. Especially when it comes to body to body contact of any kind. So, requiring a massage license for hands on treatment sounds like a good law to me. Contrary to what you say, I think the sick and elderly would actually benefit from such a law.

Pipestud

 

[foggymountain]

Stud: not ticked, but you didn't perceive what I was saying. We are all like mellowed out family here and never, ever get angry with each other. JSJ is not massage. It is hands on healing, similar to acupuncture without the needles. It is done fully dressed. If anyone has questions about it, or about whether a person is trained to do it, they can contact the Jin Shin Jyutsu institute in Arizona. They may be found on google and can tell you who is qualified. The state legislators don't seem to know about JSJ, so they have innocently and without intending anything destructive, lumped it in with massage. It is nothing like massage and completely non-sexual.

 

[pipestud]

Go back and read my post Saintpeter. I never compared Jin Shin Jyutsu to a massage parlor and have no idea how you came up with that if you are inferring that I did.
As for you, Foggy; you and I are still going to agree to disagree, and frankly, you didn't perceive what I was saying and maybe I just wasn't clear enough. I don't care whether Jin Shin Jyutsu is hands on healing or hands on massage, it's still hands on human physical therapy and just like the guy who cuts my hair (all three of them), should be required by the state to have a license. That is not unreasonable. There are some professions that need regulation whether we like it or not. The health care profession (whether it be doctors, nurses, chiropractors, massage therapists or Jin Shin Jyutsu healers) should require standard testing and be licensed. I'd hate to show up at a dental office with an ailing tooth and be treated by someone who "claims" to be a dentist despite flunking out of dental school and decided to study it on the internet and then hung up a shingle claiming to be a doctor of dentistry. Government regulations prevent that sort of thing from legally occurring.
I had already Googled Jin Shin Jyutsu before my first response to your opening post, Foggy. And while I personally am skeptical about the whole thing (it reminded me of old Kung Fu movies) I wouldn't mind their being a Jin Shin Jyutsu operation in my city any more than I mind tattoo parlors. I wouldn't go in one but would hope the practitioners were sufficiently oversighted to prevent physical harm to the public.
Just my two cents,
Pipestud

 

[bigvan]

If anyone is charging money for medical services, I think they should be licensed.
As for Jin Shin Jyutsu, despite it's asian-sounding name it seems to have a contemporary western origin (based on a very rudimentary google search, I admit). That coupled with the unusual transliteration of "jyutsu" (meaning "technique")instead of the more commonly accepted "jutsu" raises my suspicions as well.
Be careful, Foggy.

 

[peckinpahhombre]

Fully clothed? What fun is that?

 

[foggymountain]

Bigvan: Be careful of what? Gotta love Peck's attitude.

 

[bigvan]

I was just saying be careful with your health and money when it comes to unlicensed practices and practitioners who cloak themselves in eastern mysticism.

 

[pipestud]

Fully clothed? What fun is that?

That thought entered my mind too, Peck... but you have more guts than me and I just flat wimped out on that one. :wink:
Pipestud

 

[foggymountain]

BV: I do indeed appreciate your concern, and I am serious about that. By any chance do I look or sound stupid to you? I am not, mon ami. I have been getting these treatments for 13-14 years. I started getting them, free, from a girlfriend who was a professional practitioner. Without them I would be crippled and probably dead. There is no wheelchair or coffin in my life. Have a little trust in the universe, together with a discriminating sensibility, of course. All is not what it seems, including medical associations. Thanks again for the warning. It applies to many things, including multitudes of fake gurus. But JSJ is for real. I am not here for a fight with anyone. There are other sites for that.

 

[brian64]

In “western medicine” (and all other areas of science) there is a very strong, institutionalized bias against anything that does not conform to the materialist reductionism viewpoint. In “mainstream establishment medicine” there has been a total monopoly of the materialist reductionists for a very long time now. And anything outside of that paradigm tends to be branded as “snake oil” while at the same time the truckloads of snake oil being peddled by corporate establishment medicine goes unnoticed (as evidenced by skyrocketing disease rates and continual lack of cures despite billions of dollars and decades of research).
The conventional reasoning for government regulation of all things “health care” sounds great on the surface. The problem is that the mega-corporations own and operate the regulatory agencies. If anyone doubts this, I would not attempt to convince you...it’s been so painfully obvious for so long now that if you don’t see it yet you never will, IMO.
The results of this have also been painfully obvious for a long time. The staggering number of deaths and injuries caused by “mainstream establishment medicine” (documented below) is yawned at and considered to be “statistically acceptable”... and there is almost never any criminal indictments against any of these giant corporate entities. When they occasionally are held accountable for something, they simply pay fines which are a slap on the wrist for them and considered a cost of doing business. But when any “alternative independent” medical practitioner of any kind does anything wrong (and many times even if they haven’t done anything wrong) they are almost always indicted on criminal charges and put out of business.
This same pattern is followed in all other industries as well as health care ... the primary purpose of the regulatory agencies is to put the small, independent competitors of the mega-corporations out of business.
Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Killing 225,000 People Every Year
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

 

[buster]

I go to a Chinese massage spa. You are fully clothed and let me tell you they work you over and you walk out of there feeling like a rubber chicken. They only charge $19 for an hour! I always tip $10 or $15 if they do a great job. It is not for the faint of heart though. They hit some sore spots and work them out. They will find sore spots you did not even know you had!

 

[peckinpahhombre]

This thread is complete news to me. Anytime I have seen a sign for a massage parlour I had always just assumed that it was a Rub & Tug joint. Never knew any of these places were actually legit. In any case, whether legit or not, I am a libertarian, so I say whatever floats your boat.

 

[kashmir]

I agree with everything brian64 said. The problem is not "them" its "us". Specifically that part of "us" that runs the corporate Medico-Big Pharma media pupett show that feeds the populace poison masquerading as food and then sells AMA-approved snake oil to cure the ills they initiate. They create the problem for Big Pharma to cure while they laugh all the way to the bank. It's as evil as it is corrupt. Almost like having a war just to provide business to the clean up crew after its over.

 

[instymp]

I used to love "rub & tug".

Never heard it described so eloquently before.

That was 40 years ago & only once.

 

[pipestud]

I should have put an LOL at the end of that sentence, saintpeter. I just wanted to make sure you knew the reference (f there was one) between the two items did not come from me.
And I am relaxed. Just got back from a little Shin Huey (or whatever they call it) session and I'm so relaxed I'm about to fall asleep. :wink:
Pipestud

 

[foggymountain]

Glad we are all at peace. Mellow bunch of folks here. Brian expressed the situation very well. Stud: You hold that pipe like a cigar. I do that too sometimes.

 

[pipestud]

Actually foggy, I was just holding it like that so I'd look suave and debonair. It obviously didn't do the trick.
Pipestud

 

[allan]

Kash
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on the 'big Pharma' issue. Although I can imagine many would believe the 'poison in-big pharma to the rescue' scenario, I don't think it is as simple as that.
Pharmacutical companies invest millions of dollars to get a drug discovered, tested, go through trial runs, and then and only then be allowed to submit them to the FDA for testing. Most of these drugs never reach the market. If by some miracle a drug finally makes it to market, almost certainly a lawsuit will develop and the attournies will make millions and millions and potentially bankrupt a drug company. And by the way, the testing required by the FDA never stops. Complex samples of each strain of drug have to be presented to them quite frequently and are extremely scrutinized.
Although it may seem that I'm digressing, the drug companies, megapolisis as they are, create insulin, for instance, which has kept me alive for the last 35 years or so. Insulin was developed in the early 20th century (my father was an early insulin user in the late 1930's) and because of this drug millions can live relatively healthy lives. Big pharma has found a way to make it (originally from beef and pork) to some type of recombinant DNA, although I have no idea how.
Yes, one could argue that McDonalds and fast food has helped the decline in our pancreas function many times faster than the diets of old, but our life in the 20th century has completely changed from farm to city life.

The drug companies have not done that.
Sorry for pontificating.
This, of course, is only my opinion.
Allan

 

[peckinpahhombre]

Allan, I am not sure insulin is your best example. As everyone knows, insulin was developed by two Canadians (Banting & Best) working through an academic institution (the same one, in fact, that I am an adduct professor at now). It was not a product of Big Pharma. I don't think this negates your point, I just wanted to make this clear. http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/medicine/insulin/discovery-insulin.html