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Heck of a ballplayer and a wee bit self-distructive.
Heck of a ballplayer and a wee bit self-distructive.
Pete Rose Dead at 83
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Doing the Pete Rose slide in little league was a sight to behold. RIP
He was one of my dad’s favorite players. Heard a lot about him growing up. I got to meet him and get his autograph a few years ago. Rest in peace to a great ball player. 
Haven't seen this, bittersweet I guess is the term. Wish he'd had his due with the HOF as he was the best. But man he couldn't get out of his own way.
MLB did Pete dirty.
Ohtani never even had to explain himself...
Ohtani never even had to explain himself...
I remember when he was banned from Baseball for life. I was thinking "who's money was he playing with?"
I'm sure he will be having a party up there with the other baseball greats
RIP.
I'm sure he will be having a party up there with the other baseball greats
RIP.
Charlie Hustle could hit.
Maybe they’ll let him in the HOF now.
Maybe they’ll let him in the HOF now.
Pete found out he wasn't bigger than the game and that actions do indeed have consequences. A truly great player and a tragically flawed human being. He might have fared better if he hadn't lied to Baseball and, all of us for so long.
Horning and Karras played the scene correctly and contritely. Both now in the NFL HOF.
Horning and Karras played the scene correctly and contritely. Both now in the NFL HOF.
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To who? He apparently satisfied MLB with his explanations.
Ohtani didn't bet on baseball. It was his interpreter who stole his money and bet without Ohtani's knowledge.
I reckon his explanation was enough. It's enough for me... I don't care if they bet on baseball anyway. As long as they're not betting against their own team, and throwing the game.
Pete denied it too... That wasn't enough to keep 'em off of him. He even went to federal prison... For tax crimes related to the gambling.
Ohtani may not have been betting on baseball, but his right hand man was, and with his money.
I couldn't help but wonder what Pete thought of the Ohtani thing.
Ohtani is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and I'm glad that scandal worked out for him.
I hate what happend to Pete Rose, though.
Yeah... The thing with Pete Rose is, I never saw him play, so I have no nostalgia for the player. I was just familiar with the man, which was... lacking. First, he lied for years about gambling about baseball. At a certain point, Bud Selig even threw him a lifeline at the urging of guys like Mike Schmidt and Joe Morgan. Pete would have to come clean, quit the casino appearances, and show he could stay on the straight and narrow for a bit. But that wasn't good enough for him. When he eventually copped to betting on baseball, he did it as a for-profit venture in the form of a book. He never really fully came clean about the totality of his betting and its potential consequences. We've also since learned some pretty sordid stuff in addition to the gambling while playing/managing in MLB, namely the allegation he had a relationship with a 14 year old girl when he was married and in his mid-late 30s... I mean, I've done some scummy things myself and had my own corruptions, but the thing with Pete is that he never seemed to show any remorse or attempts at contrition. As Warren said, he basically believed because he was Pete Rose, and he'd taken advantage of all the amenities over the years, he just thought he was bigger than the game and baseball needed him more than he needed baseball. Only he could have answered if he thought that was the right mindset for him in the end....
I just realized I spent about 300 years slamming the man in an obituary post. I would probably feel different if I had the context of his playing career in my mind (watch me justify Barry Bonds when he passes!)... In the grand scheme of things, he wasn't a monster, but being banned from baseball isn't exactly history's worst punishment either. For the record, I always supported him being in the Hall of Fame, but only as a player, and with no future connection to baseball games where he might have a stake in the outcome. There's no shortage of questionable men in the Hall of Fame, of course.
I just realized I spent about 300 years slamming the man in an obituary post. I would probably feel different if I had the context of his playing career in my mind (watch me justify Barry Bonds when he passes!)... In the grand scheme of things, he wasn't a monster, but being banned from baseball isn't exactly history's worst punishment either. For the record, I always supported him being in the Hall of Fame, but only as a player, and with no future connection to baseball games where he might have a stake in the outcome. There's no shortage of questionable men in the Hall of Fame, of course.
Pete was one hell of a player that gave his all on the field, and was a great baseball mind. His conversations about hitting were great to listen to. He had some great ball stories as well.
It's unfortunate that he's not in the HOF. Even though the HOF could put him in if they chose to do so, however, they're "respecting the wishes" of the late commissioner Bart Giamatti. Though Giamatti only suspended Pete from Major League Baseball, and the Baseball Hall of Fame is its own separate entity, but again they're respecting the wishes of Giamatti, and all commissioners since have done the same thing.
What's irritating to me is you have a guy that bet on baseball and other sports, and was banned for it. Which I understand, but in the last several years every sports show, big game, etc. is sponsored by Draft Kings, FanDuel, ESPNBet, and a hundred other sports books or betting app. Apparently betting on sports is bad for the players but its great the shows, and the different sports leagues that get money from said sports books. It's just dumb.
It's unfortunate that he's not in the HOF. Even though the HOF could put him in if they chose to do so, however, they're "respecting the wishes" of the late commissioner Bart Giamatti. Though Giamatti only suspended Pete from Major League Baseball, and the Baseball Hall of Fame is its own separate entity, but again they're respecting the wishes of Giamatti, and all commissioners since have done the same thing.
What's irritating to me is you have a guy that bet on baseball and other sports, and was banned for it. Which I understand, but in the last several years every sports show, big game, etc. is sponsored by Draft Kings, FanDuel, ESPNBet, and a hundred other sports books or betting app. Apparently betting on sports is bad for the players but its great the shows, and the different sports leagues that get money from said sports books. It's just dumb.
What's the connection between legalized betting and a player specifically forbidden from betting by his league? Apples and oranges! You are conflating the issue, Rose's inability to follow the rules and his lengthy denial of his outrageous behavior. If he'd immediately owned up to his behavior, contritely asked for understanding, and forgiveness, he'd be in the Hall of Fame. It's all on him and his ego. He simply felt he was above the rules, too important to worry about such. He simply wasn't very smart or, honest with the the fans. Perhaps most importantly, he showed no respect for the game.
I would agree that he took the wrong approach to the situation, and yes, he should have owned up to it immediately. Unfortunately, he didn't which caused Giamatti to ban him. I would disagree that he didn't respect the game, as he loved the game, the game was his life, but he clearly made some poor choices.
The connection is that each sport tells their players/personal they can't bet on any sports (not just their sport), but at the same time the game they're playing in or the league they're in is sponsored by a sports book or betting app. The league is promoting the heck out of these sports books/apps but then expect the players/personnel to not take part. It's like shoving a candy bar in a kids face, setting it on the counter and then telling the kid to not eat it. I think its dumb.
Clearly, we cannot have players/personnel betting on games, but at the same time I think it's poor judgement by the leagues to have these sports books/ betting apps be the sponsors. That's just my opinion.
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