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ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
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Vegas Baby!!!
I won’t own a Dunhill made after 1967. Same as not owning Ashtons after 2009.

I know others who won’t own various pipes (Barling, BBB, Comoy, Charatan and Sasieni) after certain years for various reasons.

I’m sure the pipes are fine for some, but I’m very specific, or at least try to be.

I’m sure most of it is mental, or is it quality, or is it my mental quality?
 

verporchting

Lifer
Dec 30, 2018
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I have a 2000 that was bought as an estate from Dave Neeb because the ring grain was just incredible and I loved the shape (an elegant prince). The price was right and Dave vouched for the drilling so why not. I would probably not have bought it new though. Too many older models that appeal to me more.

Not having Dunhill on the pipe is a deal killer too for the newer ones. The White Spot means nothing to me as a name amongst pipe men interested in the rich history of piping. Alfred Dunhill was a tobacconist and pipe maker dammit!

Dunhill as a fashion house for trendy items is just weird to me. Brings to mind overpriced ghastly jumpers on trendy pukes with questionably sartorial tastes and too much access to daddy’s bank accounts. YMMV of coarse, just my opinion.
 

troyniss

Can't Leave
Jul 8, 2018
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By new, you mean "new to me" for the $5 I paid for an antique store find of a 1920's Innertube Patent Billiard I found a couple years ago. FWIW it still had tobacco in it and has a tiny crack down the side of the bowl. Beyond my knowledge of restoring but I plan to get it done this summer. Hopefully it is still salvageable.
 

BROBS

Lifer
Nov 13, 2019
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I bought a new White Spot Cumberland Canadian .. the thing sucked. Finish on the rim wasn’t very good and the stem was junk. The dot fell out of the stem and the airway in the stem had a big open area inside. I replaced the dot and traded it back in to smokingpipes for store credit.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
By new, you mean "new to me" for the $5 I paid for an antique store find of a 1920's Innertube Patent Billiard I found a couple years ago. FWIW it still had tobacco in it and has a tiny crack down the side of the bowl. Beyond my knowledge of restoring but I plan to get it done this summer. Hopefully it is still salvageable.
No, I mean NEW. I am just wondering what the marked is for these pipes and how Dunhill stays in business. Who buys these new? Is it a significant lot. I watched a gentleman at the pipe store purchase a Charatan for $200.00 - used. Next in line, after some discussion with the owner and a bit of look at this nick and look at that on the stem, I got mine for a song. For the man in front of me, money was not going to be an issue. So, I am left wondering - how many pipe smokers find money is not an issue and Dunhill is on the list?
 

peregrinus

Lifer
Aug 4, 2019
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I understand what you are asking, and no, I haven’t and really can’t imagine I would, even though I do have a number of “older” Dunhills.

In addition to the usual arguments over the older briar, craftsmanship and curing, I prefer the look and stain of the older blasts and Roots to the current production.
 

peregrinus

Lifer
Aug 4, 2019
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No, I mean NEW. I am just wondering what the marked is for these pipes and how Dunhill stays in business. Who buys these?
Most pipe smokers likely buy new pipes, why wouldn’t they? Who wants someones nasty old pipe?
That said, pipes are a niche market in tobacco and estate pipes are a further niche market and estate Dunhills are a niche in a niche in a niche.
 
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elpfeife

Lifer
Dec 25, 2013
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I for one will respond as the OP requested, since most have ignored his qualification for responders. I have purchased new Dunhills over the past few years. I bought them because
I like the looks and feel. All smoke well and all are stamped with the Alfred Dunhill name, as well as White Spot. They were all purchased from UK vendors at much better prices than they are sold for in the U.S. I have my eye on two more but unfortunately the UK vendors aren't shipping to the U.S. and Canada.
 
Jul 28, 2016
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I Have bought some brand new ones in England and in Italy, whereas in the US prices for the brand new Dunhill/White spot pipes seem to be a bit over the top, generally speaking I find Dunhill pipes are somewhat overpriced but at the same time I find their shapes aesthetically very pleasing,another drawback to contemporary Dunhill/Whitespot pipes is that in 99% of cases these are fitted with removable metal innertubes, would I consider acquiring them more?Perhaps if I was a man of means
 

verporchting

Lifer
Dec 30, 2018
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To be fair there are plenty of people who, not having any strong feelings about a consumer item and limited interest in studying the entire lore and history of a wanted item, simply rely on buying the best / most expensive item. Not a bad strategy really. They could do far worse and chances are that if enough people believe Cadillac / Mercedes / Dunhill / whatever is perceived as being “best” - whatever that means - then it’s safe to say it will probably be satisfactory to them. Meh, seems a decent way to roll I guess. Personally, I find it satisfying to educate myself and to make my own choices for my own reasons, but if I needed or wanted to get into some new gear and my time / attention span were precious to me I’d spend the money and rely on statistics to guide my purchases. Actually, I’ve done exactly this buying a new car once. Needed a good car immediately and had way bigger issues to deal with than researching a new car in my very limited time, so I bought a loaded Buick that was well regarded and met all the requirements. Put 179k miles on it without any issues and the car was great. I gave less thought to that purchase than ordering a new pipe. I simply relied on the collective reviews of millions of satisfied buyers and made sure it met all my must have options. Done and done. Didn’t want a Mercedes, just a reliable and affordable full-size sedan with a modicum of luxury. No regrets and not the way I normally go about car buying but I was in a hurry and had bigger fish to fry.

Edit: yeah, I know it wasn’t the “best” or a Cadillac but in my defense the Cadillacs were butt ugly that year and the local Buick dealer was great. Didn’t want a Mercedes because nobody locally would service them, otherwise I’d have bought one! The Lincoln dealer was a twat, so that was out. ?
 
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There are no new "Dunhills." The Dunhill brand no longer wants to be associated with smoking any more, so they are all referred to as "Alfred's White Spots."
That is totally false. At this very moment and for several years now, “White Spot” has been a division of Alfred Dunhill.

And yes, I have bought a new Dunhill. The nomenclature reads “ Alfred Dunhills’ White Spot.”
 
That is totally false. At this very moment and for several years now, “White Spot” has been a division of Alfred Dunhill.

And yes, I have bought a new Dunhill. The nomenclature reads “ Alfred Dunhills’ White Spot.”
Yeh yeh yeh... I had meant to write Alfred Dunhill. That was a mistake. But, that doesn't make what I was saying false. At the same time "Dunhill" dropped just calling the pipes "Dunhills", they dropped the name from all other things pipe related, especially the tobaccos. They did keep the cigarettes, for now. But, this was a branding decision made by a company that decided to go 100% into fashion merchandising.
 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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I traded for 2 brand new Dunhills around 2000. I traded Cuban cigars for them so my cost was actually half of the wholesale price. They were both group 5's and both were Bruyeres. They each had a retail price over 600.00. I kept them a couple of years then sold them off and did well and made money on them. I didn't care for the way they smoked. I found pipes from artisans that I liked better. I do have one Dunhill that is from 1966 that is an LB Billiard which to my eye is the best looking billiard ever made. The pipe smokes ok. Not as good as my artisan pipes but I just love the way it looks.

We had a member here who swore by his new Dunhills being as good as his old ones. I saw him selling off most of his collection as his health was not good. Foggymountain was his handle I believe. I am not sure if he passed away or not.