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I completely agree with this. And maybe I sounded harsh about in my first post, which was not my intent. But I took umbrage being dismissed in that way.
I was raised to be responsible and accountable. This was never more important than raising my son. We lived in a horrid neighborhood after my divorce. I was a single parent. I lived by the motto: do what you can afford to do. I could not afford to lose my son. Meaning the things you do/don't do and what you teach or allow kids to do matter and the consequences of any of those factors are on you. 6 blocks over from my street when my son was 4, a family let their 4 year old play outside by herself. That girl was grabbed, raped and murdered. I had never let him play outside alone anyway, but I was reminded how fragile life can be.
Our society keeps polarizing. There are more and more road rage incidents, walking down the sidewalk rage incidents, and yes assholes shooting random strangers that don't deserve it incidents. And not just in bad neighborhoods. I do feel bad for that family, and for that poor child. But you don't need a scryer to read the bones here. All parents need to do a better job of warning their kids about the crazy out there, regardless of race or socio-economic demographic.
Do what you can afford to do...
Thanks for posting- I think I was tracking where you were coming from all along. I’m not a gun guy. I’ve shot at the range a handful of times but I don’t own a gun. TBH I’m a pretty left leaning guy but I did not take offense to your post or any of the others that I think were misconstrued as condoning the shooters actions. Like I said I don’t think anyone here thinks the kid got what he deserved.
Not too long ago a young (black) man in a KC neighborhood near mine was shot through the door by a scared senior citizen. All the kid did was ring the doorbell. He was trying to pick his little brother up from a sleepover and went to the nextdoor neighbors house by mistake.
My point is that it is scary out there and its not an awful thing to make sure your kids are aware and that they understand that doing certain things… even innocent childish things can put them in danger.
There is some reason, the Texas Capital Murder statute has two subsections for murdering a child.
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(8) the person murders an individual under 10 years of age;
(9) the person murders an individual 10 years of age or older but younger than 15 years of age;
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One thing about being a traditional old time Christian and also being an attorney and counselor at law is that it’s no place for snowflakes who melt at criticism and contrary opinions.
Emmet Till knew better than to whistle at a married white woman in the Deep South He was on vacation from Chicago! His own Daddy had been hung for raping two white women and murdering another one in Italy. He was fully 14 years old and his mother had carefully raised him after his Daddy paid the price for murder and rape.
Mamie Till - Wikipedia
This Texan who back shot an eleven year old boy for ringing his doorbell will no doubt attract the best lawyers his legions of supporters can finance.
He was a 42 year old homeowner in his own home minding his own business.
He didn’t ask to be disturbed, you know?
He has his own mother and his own story to tell.
He ought to have went back to bed.
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There was a picture of my mother on the wall of the nursing home at the nurse’s station, where she lived from July 2009 until she died in mine and a nurse’s arms beside her bed, while waiting for me to come visit her for the noontime meal, until Medicaid cuts forced it’s closure a couple of years ago.
They said the nurses there revered her as the Moniteau Care Center patron saint of mothers who wore lipstick and make up—to the grave!
(I used my mother’s check book to pay every monthly bill she ever had at the nursing home, for the record)
As Mama correctly deduced in that nursing home the nurses put everyone in a wheel chair whether they needed it or not,
And lo it did come to pass the nurses called me to come quickly as they’d caught Mama and the youngest old man there in a plot where they were going to hop a frieght train to St Louis during the confusion of the noon meal, when the exit and entrance doors were sparsely guarded, if at all.
And I was furious.
I said Mama you could have got that old man killed trying to hop a freight train!
She said he’d have never made it more than a hundred steps past the door and we knew it.
I was going to bum a lift , not hop a freight.
His role was just to let me wheel him out to the end of the parking lot and him sit there babbling about me hopping a freight train.
Meanwhile, ever notice all the nice gentlemen who drive here to eat with their crippled, old broken down wives, Vanny?
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David the sideman had a raspy baritone voice that sounded a lot like Jerry Jeff Walker.
And as long as I could hold her up and dance at the same time, I’d have David play and sing Jerry Jeff Walker’s Billy Joe Shaver classic while I danced around with Mama——
Old Five and Dimers Like Me
Fenced yards ain’t hole cards and like as not never will be
Any reason for rhymers and old five and dimers like me
(Who really are Cadillac buyers)
Let that murdering back shooter protecting his yard find himself another lawn to mow.
Or maybe some liscence plates to make for Cadillacs.
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There won’t be any ballads ever written about a coward with a gun who shot an 11 year old boy in the back, but there might be for his avenger, you know?
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Unclench your pearls, mother. Let’s get a little more information.
@Briar Lee , you’re a lawyer, what would your defense of this guy look like?
You don’t need a ticket to jump on the bandwagon.
Honestly, this morning I’m learning what I’d use as a defense lawyer likely would not work—-
There’s a witness—-an adult
It’s very bad for the shooter
The dead kid is a cute little brown Mexican
He has a 10 year old cousin that lived to tell the story. Dragged him “army style” with the kid who died later screaming he couldn’t use his legs.
The kids rang the shooters doorbell three times in a row
On the third time, the shooter was waiting in the shadows at the corner of his property
It was an assisination. The shooter planned to get away with it. He was found in another city.
The shooter is a former combat veteran deployed to Afghanistan
He had tactical vests and 20 AR type weapons and smoke grenades in his house
And he’s not an American. His lawful status is uncertain.
Oh shit.
Psycho
Jack Kittel (1974)
Here’s the problem the state of Texas has now.
If they execute him they’ll make a martyr out of him to every domestic terrorist from now to doomsday.
The smart play, is to arrange this guy spend the rest of his days in a mental institution.
If they send him to regular prison the sane inmates will kill him.
And a jury turning this monster loose is a risk no prosecutor I know would want to take.
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My support for the death penalty evaporates if there’s the slightest, tiny chance of an acquittal.
The two men who murdered Emmet Till bragged about it the rest of their lives.
The retired cop in Florida who gunned down a man who threw popcorn at him was turned loose. He’s free to kill again.
There is zero doubt this psychopath in Texas waited in the shadows at the corner of his property and got a good look at two little Hispanic boys aged 10 and 11 under a street light.
He waited until they ran past and blew one away. Initial estimate is 20 feet.
Maybe five per cent of the random population is a sociopath.
And a lot of them are smart, not all like is the urban legend but a lot of them.
How can a prosector guarantee that a fellow sociopath won’t keep getting on multiple juries and eventually this sick heartless bastard is back on the streets?
Yet the defense knows that about one per cent of the entire population is like me, a traditional, observant, old time Christian who follows the Master.
If one of my kind gets on his jury—-it’s bad for him.
Snakes Crawl at Night
Charlie Pride
For forty years now I’ve had friends and clients ask me why the law allows for an insanity verdict and also that there are no executions of the insane.
It’s because the sociopaths cannot be deterred.
This guy in Texas was just waiting for an excuse to kill.
You’ll never send any message to the devil’s children. It’s impossible to teach them empathy.
The Devil Was Laughing at Me
Jimmy C Newman
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I am hesitant to way in here. We live in a society that encourages through social media children to behave in ways that are risky - eating Tide Pods for instance. We also live in a society where many people are driven to emotional extremes either through the frustrations of helplessness fostered on them by war, finances, or any of a long list of things that lead one to feel helpless. On top of that, many of the medications we take have side effects that lead to irrational thinking. Many, many people are in this catagory. Many decades ago, I was given a medication that started to give me a quick temper with a short fuse. I came home one day and this man yelled at me about how I was parking. I quietly went upstairs and got my shot gun and started to go downstairs to shoot him. As I reached the exit door to my apartment building I had this one line thought hit me, “Does this seem like a rational response ?” I went back to my apartment and called my doctor. He said flush that medication now. I responded by telling I just had done so. I was pretty shaken by how my rational reasoning had been over taken so quickly. In a day or so, my temper returned to normal and I was horrified by how quickly and easily that irrational response had taken hold of me. I have always told my own children that they must never count on members of the general public to act in a manner that will seem rational. You just don’t know what is going on with them and you can’t know - so it’s best to be cautious and stay away from situations that might lead to irrational rage in another. Of course the man in question over reacted and he will pay the consequences. But the consequences of provoking others whose own lives are already unstable is a reality as well. It’s an ugly conversation no matter what. I am thankful I had been sparred this 45 years ago. I see in so many older people that live near me now the effects of diminished thinking capacity to act and respond appropriately. I pray this doesn’t become my fate as well. I have no answers and I think our society has no simple solutions as well. It’s a tragedy for certain. I for one don’t want to be a spectator or an armchair commentator on this one or ones like it. I served on a jury for a murder done in the heat of the moment. We found the two young men guilty. But we all saw - all 12 of us - that we lived in a society where rational responses were lost. Pontificating is easy. And does nothing to further the discussion of what the real issues are that will sooner or later impact us all. That’s my two cents fwiw - which is very little.
Gosh I’ll start to feel like a victim if these personal attacks continue.
Many kinds of Christians—-
My best friend and trusty sideman David gave me his Martin HD28 when he joined the Mennonite Church. He called me and said he was on his way to Fortuna, and in the evening shadows I accepted his gift outside my home.
And he sounded like telescopes about my pipes —making me promise to not store it in my trunk or garage and keep it in a nice air conditioned house and never let it get damp or too dry.
David was the son of a Baptist preacher, and a really good one, and his mother played the piano at his father’s church.
And I said David if you’ll just join an old time traditional restorationist Christian Church you can keep your guitar, keep your flagpole, even celebrate all the holidays like Christmas.
And David said there’s a girl by Fortuna who milks her father’s cows and she’s 47 and never been married. She asked me to become a Mennonite. I eat supper with her family every Sunday afternoon.
I said why are you standing here talking to me, and not helping her milk those cows. David?.
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Those who number such things say there’s over 30,000 different kinds of Christians.
My church honors Sgt Alvin York, among almost countless other heroes .
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Private Wilson White
Marty Robbins
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No matter what kind of Christian a Christian is, we’d agree not to execute a war hero, unless it was the last option.
Nor lock him in a Texas prison in the heat, among vile criminals who almost surely would kill him.
The mental health of veterans is sadly neglected by those of us they fought for, while we slept safely in our beds.
Let’s see if two Christian lawyers on both sides of a case in Texas can arrange this veteran a permanent bed in an extremely secure mental institution.
Better than the Huntsville death chamber, you know?
My best friend and trusty sideman David gave me his Martin HD28 when he joined the Mennonite Church. He called me and said he was on his way to Fortuna, and in the evening shadows I accepted his gift outside my home.
And he sounded like telescopes about my pipes —making me promise to not store it in my trunk or garage and keep it in a nice air conditioned house and never let it get damp or too dry.
David was the son of a Baptist preacher, and a really good one, and his mother played the piano at his father’s church.
And I said David if you’ll just join an old time traditional restorationist Christian Church you can keep your guitar, keep your flagpole, even celebrate all the holidays like Christmas.
And David said there’s a girl by Fortuna who milks her father’s cows and she’s 47 and never been married. She asked me to become a Mennonite. I eat supper with her family every Sunday afternoon.
I said why are you standing here talking to me, and not helping her milk those cows. David?.
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Those who number such things say there’s over 30,000 different kinds of Christians.
My church honors Sgt Alvin York, among almost countless other heroes .
Alvin York - Wikipedia
Churches of Christ in Christian Union - Wikipedia
Private Wilson White
Marty Robbins
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No matter what kind of Christian a Christian is, we’d agree not to execute a war hero, unless it was the last option.
Nor lock him in a Texas prison in the heat, among vile criminals who almost surely would kill him.
The mental health of veterans is sadly neglected by those of us they fought for, while we slept safely in our beds.
Let’s see if two Christian lawyers on both sides of a case in Texas can arrange this veteran a permanent bed in an extremely secure mental institution.
Better than the Huntsville death chamber, you know?
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That does comfort me.
All this unresolved emotion really wears on me.
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