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Winnipeger

Lifer
Sep 9, 2022
1,288
9,690
Winnipeg
I am probably THE LAZIEST guy on here - doesn't clean his pipes very often, for example - and without even knowing it had a name or being conscious of doing it - or trying to do it - I went from following the Super-Fiddly Pipe Filling and Lighting Instructions, and fell right to the classic "Codger Scoop" - A brilliant example of the Zen of Doing Without Even Trying; if I may say so myself.
Me too.
 

HawkeyeLinus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2020
5,815
42,063
Iowa
I guess I'm in "not critical" now. Was into the "right" way to light at the start. Reading several of the posts above and nodding and saying, "yep" I guess I'm not consistent. Generally draw the flame slowly two to four times, usually tamp, light again if necessary, but I don't think it's in a "charring light" kind of way, maybe that's what one is. I tend to have mine a little drier, seems to lead to less fuss in getting going. All IMO.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
I smoke the pipe, the pipe does not smoke me

However, if I am in a slow smoking contest, everything everyone stated above about "just doing it" goes out the window. Technique and discipline are essential for winning.

What does that mean ? It means there is a method that works and it works well.

When you watch new smokers struggle to keep a pipe lit and you see thee frustration and embarrassment on their faces as they try to finish a bowl, it obvious that there is a technique to this thing of ours. Eventually, we master it and we get to the point where we can improvise and have a great time smoking our pipes.

A teacher explains and yes, that often times means discussing a lot of small steps and processes. A coach does the same. Lots of drills. But when It is game time, all of it makes sense and the drills and many steps manifest themselves into something completely different and enjoyable.
 

BarrelProof

Lifer
Mar 29, 2020
2,701
10,600
39
The Last Frontier
The main thing to keep in mind is to simply get the pipe lit and smoke the dried vegetable-matter you have put in there; and, hopefully, enjoy it.

Get it done however you get it done, and so the pipe smokes well. - That's the goal, anyway.

As far as the How You Actually Do That is concerned:

Pipes, Pipe Tobacco, Packing your Pipe and Pipe Smoking are fiddly at their core, IF YOU choose them to be; and, for whatever reason, detail-oriented and OCD-types seem to be a powerful and natural match for enjoying dogmatic procedures and fiddliness .

As a beginner looking for instruction, you are going to encounter a ton of highly detailed, multi-phasic, critical-mass theories and dogmatic gospels about 'How Zit Dun in 457 Easy-to-Master Steps'... Including such arcane self-measuring scales as "... with the same pressure you would apply as if you were holding a small child's arm.." - WTH is that, and who the heck is expert at applying various level of pressure to the arms of infants and children as a measurement skill ?!?!

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Okay, that's what many of us went through; but, eventually, you will likely find you just will eventually "just do it", and without much thought going it the act, as a "process", once you've landed on a way, over time, which gives you the desired result - Return to the First Sentence, if you have forgotten the stated goal already.

That is, unless YOU choose to make it a "Process and Procedure" which brings you added joy to your pipe smoking ritual.

I am probably THE LAZIEST guy on here - doesn't clean his pipes very often, for example - and without even knowing it had a name or being conscious of doing it - or trying to do it - I went from following the Super-Fiddly Pipe Filling and Lighting Instructions, and fell right to the classic "Codger Scoop" - A brilliant example of the Zen of Doing Without Even Trying; if I may say so myself.

And Now, it's all done by feel and flow - without thinking... Same goes for relights, tamping, and when to knock out excessive ash, etc.

Just do it, and keep doing it - eventually, you'll land on your own preferred style and method which works for you.

And, don't forget to RELAX and ENJOY! - Sherm Natman



This outlined process by @shermnatman works both in the presence and in the absence of YTPCBS.

I think that’s the issue - there are so many “right ways” out there as a result of so many people advocating his/her preferred method (to get likes, follows, shares, etc.). How do you think they developed those methods? Just smoke, it’ll happen.

I’m about to coin the Boomer method. It involves smoking without the fear of immediate and catastrophic internet shame. (Yes, I’m guilty of having gone through the giving a shit phase, too).

Here are the steps to enlightenment:

1. Find a pipe you like
2. Find a tobacco you like
3. Dry the tobacco (or don’t)
4. Get the tobacco in the bowl somehow
5. Light the tobacco with a lighter (or match, or rope, or flint/steel, or the gas range, or a magnifying glass)
6. Enjoy bowl
7. Clean pipe (or don’t)

The quicker folks realize that there’s no right/wrong way to do this, the quicker you’ll realize the happiness lies in the time you get to spend with your pipes, not achieving some standard set forth by a keyboard jockey on a pipe forum or YouTube.

Take it from someone who has had to drastically reduce the amount of smoking he can do - FTBS, just have fun.

Just never clean your pipe with water.
 

jpmcwjr

Moderator
Staff member
May 12, 2015
26,224
30,181
Carmel Valley, CA
I don’t faff about on the initial light, but try to get a solid ember going - << Snipped bits out >>
But faffing about is what many of us do here! :)
Whatever works for you to get your pipe going is the right answer though. Lots of ways of doing it and other than needlessly scorching the hell out of the leaf/pipe rim/tongue there’s not really a “wrong” way.
Yup. Diff folks, diff strokes.
 

yanoJL

Lifer
Oct 21, 2022
1,403
3,995
Pismo Beach, California
I smoke the pipe, the pipe does not smoke me

However, if I am in a slow smoking contest, everything everyone stated above about "just doing it" goes out the window. Technique and discipline are essential for winning.

What does that mean ? It means there is a method that works and it works well.

When you watch new smokers struggle to keep a pipe lit and you see thee frustration and embarrassment on their faces as they try to finish a bowl, it obvious that there is a technique to this thing of ours. Eventually, we master it and we get to the point where we can improvise and have a great time smoking our pipes.

A teacher explains and yes, that often times means discussing a lot of small steps and processes. A coach does the same. Lots of drills. But when It is game time, all of it makes sense and the drills and many steps manifest themselves into something completely different and enjoyable.

Yes! And some basic guidance and techniques are helpful and often sought by new hobbyists who post their questions here.

The "do whatever works for you" and YMMV comments may prove to be true in the long run, but aren't super helpful when a beginner doesn't have a ton of trial-and-error to fall back on.
 

verporchting

Lifer
Dec 30, 2018
3,002
9,274
As a pipe smoker of ten years, my answer is.....I have no idea. I'm still trying new methods and crazy ideas.
This is a good point actually. I’m still open to trying something new and occasionally I run across a pipe that defies my ordinary routine and it always seems like starting over. Usually I figure out what that particular pipe requires and sometimes it’s new to me but works. More often though I get frustrated and send the pipe packing. I have an estate Hardcastle that has given me fits and it’s going bye-bye. Pretty pipe and great style but it just annoys me by not smoking the way I want it to. Meh, I win, it’s going away.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Some basics that new smokers struggle with are one, packing correctly; two, lighting the pipe; and three, breathing technique and keeping the pipe lit.

Experience pipe smokers have learned - hopefully - what a correctly loaded bowl of tobacco feels like under pressure. They have a sense as to when the true light, be it initial or secondary, has taken hold. And most of all, pipe smokers have learned the rhythm of the draw, the intensity of the draw, and how to change things up when the pipe is either too hot or about to go out.

Just as important, experienced smokers no when to quits on a pipe load.

Cleaning methods, upkeep, storage - these are all matters for debate and preference. But unless the new smoker learns some tricks to master the top three challenges mentioned above, smoking a pipe will only be one more frustration in their lives.

I think some of the "rules" that are provided new smokers have their place. In that they are all subject to modifications and experimentation, they are less rules and more like advice.
 

sugardaddy

Lurker
Sep 30, 2022
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70
Yes! And some basic guidance and techniques are helpful and often sought by new hobbyists who post their questions here.

The "do whatever works for you" and YMMV comments may prove to be true in the long run, but aren't super helpful when a beginner doesn't have a ton of trial-and-error to fall back on.
Exactly
 

Epip Oc'Cabot

Can't Leave
Oct 11, 2019
472
1,309
For me, unless what I call “a charring light” is different from your meaning….. I pretty much always have a charring light where I DO draw the flame pretty deeply into the bowl. Then after a few moments I will use my finger to tamp and smooth the surface lightly.

At that point, sometimes that initial light is sufficient and things roll along easily. But, just as often, I may need a gentle relight.

My “charring light” is primarily a way for me to even out the top of the bowl so that the leaf does not expand or become loose at the top….. to decrease the likelihood of stray embers coming out of the bowl and onto my shirt or worse.

But, in reality, there isn’t any logical method that is WRONG…. there may simply be methods that are not as good for you. I simply do the lighting in the way that works best for me, YMMV.
 
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anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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Title changed. Original:
"Charring Light - Light Puffs or More Full Draw? Let it Go Out Fully or Not? Does it Matter?"

I watched many pipe lighting vids last year when I was learning. Of course, they all mentioned the need for a charring light ... sometimes multiple charring lights.

But I've seen different opinions regarding how to do it.

Some guys light gently and then let it go all the way out before proceeding.

Some guys seem to take deeper draws to pull the heat farther into the tobacco.

Some let the charring light fully go out before they resume, and some don't.

Is this another thing where there's no wrong answer and you just try it and figure out what you like?

Are there pros to each method and you just decide which pros you want to go with?

Thanks guys!
I think the only things I really truly feel critical on are cleaning the pipes and not using them as hammers.
With char lights it's an until I am happy with the ember. I try to not pull the flame into the tobacco but try is different then really try not too. Sometimes you get a magic light and it's even and ready to go with one match. Sometimes it's take up to four matches. Usually it's a two match thing. Sometimes if I am indoors and I feel like showing off it's one match char tamp and then true light with the still burning match. But that only happens if I got a really good story going on and a decent sized audience.
 

sugardaddy

Lurker
Sep 30, 2022
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70
I think the only things I really truly feel critical on are cleaning the pipes and not using them as hammers.
With char lights it's an until I am happy with the ember. I try to not pull the flame into the tobacco but try is different then really try not too. Sometimes you get a magic light and it's even and ready to go with one match. Sometimes it's take up to four matches. Usually it's a two match thing. Sometimes if I am indoors and I feel like showing off it's one match char tamp and then true light with the still burning match. But that only happens if I got a really good story going on and a decent sized audience.
Good info, man! Thanks!
 
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anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,645
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Good info, man! Thanks!
I am an old school pipe smoker. In as much as most of what I know comes from burning my tongue and stuffing the pipe to near unsmokability until accidentally finding out a better way. Though I did once read an old thing about pipes that described sipping smoke through a pipe. It was some book in the rare books room at Patee library. Some old book they wouldn't let me touch just look at that was about how weird that new continent is and the weird things people do there. The line was about how they are all into this stuff and chew the leaves sip the smoke through pipes and sip the powder up their noses. I tried sipping and my tongue thanked me so much for it.
 

Papamique

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 11, 2020
792
3,967
So many different responses here and it’s no surprise. Do you think the guy that only smokes a few bowls a week when he has hours of quiet time alone will do things the same as someone who smokes a few bowls an hour?

Take the guy that drinks hard liquor, smokes cigarettes, cigars, a pipe and chews tobacco. His pipe is nothing more than a tool to deliver smoke and he doesn’t give much care to the process or paraphernalia that may accompany his pipe smoking. It’s a miracle he tastes anything or notices as he is shoving tobacco in whatever is his next fancy as quick as possible while fluttering through his day. Do you think he cares to use a tamper when his finger or stick from the nearest bush will do? Or would he bother with a charting light while driving down the freeway one handed? No, I don’t think so. This type of smoker is just concerned with getting smoke going the fastest most efficient way possible.

Contrast that with the pipe smoker that needs all the gadgets and expensive tobacco. He doesn’t dare smoke bouncing through his day or he will miss out on the intricacies and nuances of his experience. No, a pipe is more than a tool to him. It is an accessory much like a wrist watch or fancy pair of shoes. It’s a statement and an experience that he prefers to enjoy in solitude or share with his buddies while having a drink and contemplating life.

Then you have everyone in between these extremes. Everyone doing it a bit different. It is no small wonder that there are so many different responses. Everybody doing it exactly the way that they should for their own enjoyment.

I think you need to try different techniques yourself and find your own path. Get off the computer and light a pipe. Whether you char it first or not is your own fancy.