Deer Tongue? That was easy!

[driftedshank1]

The Faber, Coe and Gregg version of Brindley's Mixture was a drugstore tobacco that I liked very much.
It is long gone and while there is a Sutliff match, my understanding is that it is not even close to the old Brindley's.
I thought that deer tongue was part of Brindley's and gave it a very subtle ctrusy/vanilla-ish taste. I wonder if anyone can verify whether deer tongue was a Brindley's component?

 

[Elric]

In a recent post, several of us were lamenting the lack of Deer Tongue, aka Vanilla Leaf (not to be confused with vanilla bean) in the latest iteration of C&D’s Crooner.

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I’m preparing some clean mason jars - 4 ounces is a lot of DT!

This is a “love it or hate it” tobacco condiment, I know.

But no different from those who either “love or hate” (insert condiment) Perique or Latakia or Anise or Citrus etc.

Deer Tongue has a long and storied history with pipe tobacco dating back to our Native Americans.

Can anyone share some history of pipe blends that may have included this?

I’m definitely in the “love it” camp.

Nice! I just ordered a couple ounces to play with.

 

[Choatecav]

I am curious about "deer tongue" and what exactly it is and how it affects various blends. I did a search, found this thread and decided to read it and revive it.
I hear things like "vanilla leaf", "coumarin", etc. being tossed around and I am not exactly sure if it is even a type of tobacco or some type of herb? Also, does it have a powerful nicotine hit or none at all??

If it is strictly a vanilla type essence or flavor, then I probably won't care for it as I am not big into aromatics, in general, but just thought I would ask some of the "wizened heads" on the forum to expand a bit on this.

 

[Piping Abe]

I am curious about "deer tongue" and what exactly it is and how it affects various blends. I did a search, found this thread and decided to read it and revive it.
I hear things like "vanilla leaf", "coumarin", etc. being tossed around and I am not exactly sure if it is even a type of tobacco or some type of herb? Also, does it have a powerful nicotine hit or none at all??

If it is strictly a vanilla type essence or flavor, then I probably won't care for it as I am not big into aromatics, in general, but just thought I would ask some of the "wizened heads" on the forum to expand a bit on this.

Your best bet is to just order an ounce of New Market or Engine 382 to try it.

 

[mingc]

I am curious about "deer tongue" and what exactly it is and how it affects various blends. I did a search, found this thread and decided to read it and revive it.
I hear things like "vanilla leaf", "coumarin", etc. being tossed around and I am not exactly sure if it is even a type of tobacco or some type of herb? Also, does it have a powerful nicotine hit or none at all??

If it is strictly a vanilla type essence or flavor, then I probably won't care for it as I am not big into aromatics, in general, but just thought I would ask some of the "wizened heads" on the forum to expand a bit on this.

It's not tobacco but an herb. It has a vanilla like flavor.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Your best bet is to just order an ounce of New Market or Engine 382 to try it.

Crooner and Gentleman Caller have a much higher presence of it than New Market or Engine 382.

If it is strictly a vanilla type essence or flavor,

No vanilla, more herbal. Think baking spices or a type of wild mint.

 

[Cobler]

I was reading Bull Durham business bonanza, 1866 - 1940 and it mentions an 1881 flavoring recipe of rum, tonka beans and deer tongue.

Not that we can readily sample it these days...

 

[Choatecav]

Your best bet is to just order an ounce of New Market or Engine 382 to try it.

From the comments, it sounds like something I would not care for. But, you're probably right that best way is to try it. How about the nicotine??? Is there any??

 

[Chasing Embers]

How about the nicotine???

Being cube cut burley, Crooner has the highest nicotine.

 

[Piping Abe]

Crooner and Gentleman Caller have a much higher presence of it than New Market or Engine 382.

Crooner is not what it used to be. And Gentleman Caller is my favorite. Although you’d have to buy a tin instead of the cheaper alternative 1 oz.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Crooner is not what it used to be. And Gentleman Caller is my favorite. Although you’d have to buy a tin instead of the cheaper alternative 1 oz.

They cut the deertongue content about a decade ago but Crooner is still a cube cut burley. Engine 382 is my favorite and default tobacco. Ive got about 40 pounds of that one put up.

 

[Piping Abe]

They cut the deertongue content about a decade ago but Crooner is still a cube cut burley. Engine 382 is my favorite and default tobacco. Ive got about 40 pounds of that one put up.

I’ve had the cubed version. The most recent I got in 2021 was ribbon and waay down on the deer tongue. Had to add my own

 

[Choatecav]

They cut the deertongue content about a decade ago but Crooner is still a cube cut burley. Engine 382 is my favorite and default tobacco. Ive got about 40 pounds of that one put up.

Thanks gentlemen

 

[Grangerous]

To really understand it, then Crooner is the blend to purchase and sample. —It’s pure Burley and Deertongue.

In Crooner you won’t have anything confusing you as to what is the Deer Tongue.

Polarizing it is. You’ll love it or you won’t. Enjoy.

 

[anotherbob]

personally I love deer tongue. My old local had a blend called black magic that was not totally sure what leaf (it was all greek to me then, for years when I was told it was a Virginia blend I'd think who cares were they grew it [stupid teenagers]) but it was very dark rich and loaded with deer tongue. Damn that stuff was polarizing as people say. I mean not by smokers but by bystanders. It's very Vanilla like but not quite Vanilla it's rounder to my mind and slightly more subdued a little drier. And then something I can just describe as very herbal.

 

[Choatecav]

personally I love deer tongue. My old local had a blend called black magic that was not totally sure what leaf (it was all greek to me then, for years when I was told it was a Virginia blend I'd think who cares were they grew it [stupid teenagers]) but it was very dark rich and loaded with deer tongue. Damn that stuff was polarizing as people say. I mean not by smokers but by bystanders. It's very Vanilla like but not quite Vanilla it's rounder to my mind and slightly more subdued a little drier. And then something I can just describe as very herbal.

Great story and description.
I loved the comment about early on hearing about Virginia blend and thinking who cares where it was grown. I remember thinking something similar to that years ago. "Virginia, Kentucky, Turkish".... big freakin' deal. ha

 

[bayareabriar]

I’m happy this thread got revisited. A lot of good information.

 

[dottlejockey]

Intriguing thread. I picked up a couple ounces of DT to try while blending nearly a decade ago and didn't care for it, so it got jarred up and put away. Reading through this made me wonder whether or not this would still be my experience. I'm a firm believer in trying things more than once. So I dug out my jar and added a pinch to a small bowl's worth of Pegasus, threw it in a tasting clay and gave it another run. To my surprise, this time around I found it much more pleasant.

A few years ago, I was diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma and had chemotherapy. After attaining remission, I noticed that my tastes had changed to some degree. So this was part of an on-going experience of giving past dislikes a second chance. Now, all credit to reading this and getting me thinking, there is a new blending element in my arsenal.

Thanks for the inspiration!

 

[f4phantomdriver]

They cut the deertongue content about a decade ago but Crooner is still a cube cut burley. Engine 382 is my favorite and default tobacco. Ive got about 40 pounds of that one put up.

I'm smoking some Gentleman's Caller as I type this. I like this and Crooner, but the latter could use more deer tongue. My son said GC smells like oatmeal raisin cookies. You really have 40lbs of Engine 382!? Wow! Is it really that good!?

 

[Chasing Embers]

You really have 40lbs of Engine 382!?

Indeed

Is it really that good!?

Probably not for everyone but it is in my top 5. If it was the only tobacco I had I would be a happy smoker.