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newbroom

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I just want to say that the Daughters and Ryan bagged blends are the best tobacco buy I've found.

I've smoked several of them and enjoy each and every one.

They each have their own flavor profile and cut, and these blends are not what appears to be a ryo (in some instances) product disguised as pipe tobacco, but in actual fact, great tasting pipe tobacco.

(I may be just trying to convince mySELF, since I bought about 10 lbs. of these!)

 
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I approached smoking these straight in my pipe with some level of trepidation, but at this point , I'm really optimistic about at least a couple of these.

 

blendtobac

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Mark does smoke a pipe, although he smokes cigars more frequently. He has a nice collection of pipes in his office. I spent a day with him during which we gathered up small amounts of a lot of the tobaccos that he uses in the Blender's Bench series, rehydrated them, and we spent a few hours trying each varietal. He's a great judge of quality tobacco, and he has helped me a number of times by allowing me access to his stash of rare leaf for blends of my own.
Russ

 
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Sounds like fun, Russ!
OK everybody, I'm checking in with an update on the D&R Blender's Bench Orientals. I have smoked a number of straight bowls of each type over the past few weeks, and these are really, really good for the most part. Obviously, these are not intended to be smoked straight, but this is the best way for me to find out what they taste like, and I still look forwards to smoking more straight bowls of these. This is not a RYO tobacco, despite the wide range of leaf piece sizes. The price alone lets you know that. I have a tube stuffer, and these don't really taste all that great in a tube anyway. If you want the best flavor, you have to hydrate these a little and then bring the moisture level back down to nearly dry, load a pipe, and smoke them each straight, really slowly. Super-slow smoking with just enough leaf burning to get the flavors going, and proper moisture levels are key. It's really easy to over-cook any of these smoking them straight because a lot of the leaf is thin and delicate and wants to burn quickly. I found that these tobaccos can be deceptively moist after re-hydrating (appearing to be too dry, actually too wet) and still burns quickly, and that can cause some steam. Factor in lots of natural oils and probably the PH levels, and you can see how these might affect the tongue if you are not paying attention. Your tongue will probably feel a little rough after a "perfect" smoke of most of these straight, but it goes away quickly for me, and I have been noticing as time goes on and the leaves continue to dry out a little more as I smoke down the jars, that the mild tongue "bite" becomes nearly a non-issue. These don't seem to mind a firm bowl-pack to help control the burn. Blowing off the grey ash regularly helps to maintain the flavor too. I normally don't smoke D.G.T.-style, but this is a good example of where even a couple short DGTs during the smoke pays off. The flavors will maintain their ideal qualities, things will stay cooler, and you might take a break and get a drink to help your tongue. Despite the possibility of a rough tongue, these mostly smoke with a pretty clean tea-like finish on the tongue that dissipates rather quickly, along with most of the roughness.
Flavor-wise, the main features of most of these seem to be an individual citrus-like (and in a couple cases an herbal or floral) flavor characteristic that stood out from the beginning and would remain until the end, to become that flavor plus tea-like flavors. Once hydrated and the moisture-levels are dialed in, the tobaccos have fresh jar-notes and distinct flavors. The main outstanding flavor-features that I noticed, along with a couple of comparisons, are below. If you add "tea flavor" to the main flavor characteristics that are listed, that's pretty much what you will get by the end of the bowl.
Macedonian : Eucalyptus. One might jump the gun and write it off as perfume or potpouri, but the flavor that builds by mid-bowl reminds me most of the aroma of dried eucalyptus. I've picked up this flavor in Squad Leader, and I have read somewhere that someone thought Squad Leader had some Macedonian in it, and I can definitely make that connection after smoking this. This stuff blew Stokkebye bulk Macedonian out of the water.
Bulgarian Oriental : Citrus-Kumquat/Grapefruit/Mandarin Orange. Could get a little cigar-like when too hot. Probably the most delicate/thinnest leaf pieces out of the bunch, likes to burn fast if one is not careful.
Izmir : Citrus-Lemon/Lemonade. Better than a fresh can of Cornell & Diehl tinned blending Izmir. C&D Izmir can nearly hang, but it's not quite as good. It is more oaty and less lemony than the D&R, which is like drinking a glass of home-made lemonade, and then home-made sun-tea with lemons and a little sugar in it.
Yenidge : Light citrus, light pine. More citrusy than piney.
Basma : Very light citrus flavor, seems least likely to affect the tongue, and actually has quite a creamy quality that the others did not have. Probably

a good utility tobacco if you need to make your blend burn better without adding too much flavor, or are trying to boost the cream-factor. Could get a little cigar-like when too hot.
Katerini: Light honey, floral, lightly sweet/bitter-sweet.
Bursa : Kind of like the Izmir but not as lemony, and unlike any of the others, fairly perfumey. This was the only one that I really did not like the

flavor of. When I smoked this in a tube, it reminded me a little bit of what I didn't like about Red Raparee. In the pipe it was a little different/better, but I really was not liking it.
Out of all of these, I'm going to continue to work with the Macedonian, Izmir, Yenidge, Bulgarian Oriental, and to some degree, the Basma. The Katerini was okay, but not really what I am looking for, and the Bursa was not tasty to me. Wanting to get rid of those last two while keeping the ones that I like, and wanting to come up with a way for some forum members to try these, I rolled the dice and bought some more of my favorites, screened off some medium-sized leaves out of the stuff I want to keep, and can now put together some Oriental tasting kits including all of the varieties above, which I will post in the sales forum for people who want to see what these are all about, without them having to buy full tubs right off the bat. I also put together a "D&R Latakia Showdown" tasting kit which includes a bit of all of my different blending Latakias, and you can tell me if you think like I do that the D&R might be the best Latakia.
I've also been working my way through smoking my D&R Oriental/McClelland/Wellauer Latakia blends that I posted about earlier, and mostly the 50/50 blending ratios that I started with causes the two components to bang heads and mute each-others distinctive qualities, while still tasting like there is too much Oriental in there. I kind of expected that, but wanted to start there mostly for practical reasons. Now I can adjust the ratio either way and have a better idea of how that changes the flavors. The best ones seemed to be the ones where I used 50% Ori+25% Cyprian +25% Syrian, due to the different Latakias adding some complexity and a little sweetness from the Wellauer's. The blends were all in need of some sweetness, and at some point I will start adding VAs once I have smoked some different Latakia/Oriental ratios, but I'm really looking forwards to continuing to smoking and working with these Blenders Bench tobaccos! :puffpipe:

 
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Decided that I liked the 50% Ori / 25% McClellands / 25% Wellauers blends the best, so I combined the 12 bags so that I had 4 bags left and maintained the 50% / 25% / 25% ratio as much as the remaining tobacco would let me.
Also decided that I needed to add more Latakia, and I wanted to see how the D&R Latakia was going to shake things up. I figured that I wanted somewhere around 30% Oriental total, so weighed each bag and added half of that weight back into the bag in the form of the D&R Latakia. That would give me roughly 33% Ori, 33% D&R, and 16.5% McClellands, and 16.5% Wellauers. Not really that exact in reality due to smoking unknown proportions out of the original bags already, but probably going to be interesting to smoke! I am going to pack a bowl of one of these tonight, just have to decide which one first.


 
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Added most of the Blenders Bench Virginas to the cellar a while back, and had a chance to smoke through them in my Brebbia Junior acorn over the past week or so. I do not have the Acadian VA, as it was sold-out by the time I bought these. I only have some basic smoking impressions and plan to spend some more time with them. These share a characteristic that I found with the Orientals in that they are deceptively moist, where you think that they are dry enough to smoke after hydrating and allowing to damp off until the leaves start to rustle when you poke at them, but still end up being slightly too moist.
Starting top-left and going clock-wise, you have Flue-Cured, Bright Flue-Cured, Blonde, Bright VA Leaf, Bright VA Tips, and Red.


The Bright VA Tips have a BIG tin-note, it smells strongly of honey and roses, and lightly of fresh-cut hay. The contents of the 6oz tub are mostly extra-large and large leaf pieces, and very little dust or medium pieces. I was rolling out some 2" x 4" leaf pieces. These were pretty moist in the tub, which is a departure from the most other Blenders Bench offerings that I have. This also had the thinnest flavor when I tried it straight, and it seemed to take a while to get anything going flavor-wise in the bowl. It reminded me of smoking McClellands Katerini Classic, which has a lightly sweet honeysuckle type flavor that also might seem a little bitter at times. I'm not sure if you would want a straight smoke from this, but it would be a good blender. It might also need to dry a bit more, and spend some more time in the jar.
The Bright Flue-Cured also had a BIG tin note, very similar to the VA tips, but more like strong honey or honeysuckle, and light oats. These were also a little moist in the tub, wide-cut ribbon, with some extra-large and mostly large pieces, and some medium, and a little dust. It smoked with a flavor very much like the Bright VA tips, but with a stronger flavor that arose earlier in the bowl. Again, probably not a straight smoke, good blender, see above.
The Blonde had a milder tin note, strong of oats and lightly sweet. Reminded me of uncooked "maypo" cereal, which is maple-flavored oatmeal. The cut is probably what I would call medium-sized ribbon. The tub had very few extra-large leaves, mostly large and medium leaves, and more dust than the first two. This would probably be my first pick for a straight smoke out of these. It tasted a little like a combo of the Brights and the Flue-Cured. It would be a good blender as well.
The Bright VA Leaf also had a milder tin note, with a strong "fresh American cigarette tobacco" type of smell, and maybe a peppery whiff every now and then. The cut is what I would call a shag cut, with very thin strands of tobacco. The tub contained almost no extra-large or large leaves, mostly medium sized pieces, and by far the worst offender with dust at nearly two ounces of dust, which I dispose of. This offered a surprisingly full-flavored lemony/hay-type smoke, and somewhat sweet. The bigger flavor was probably due to the thin ribbons, despite intentionally smoking this a bit moist to allow the strands to burn more slowly. I could see smoking this straight or using it regularly, except for the poor "leaf-to-dust" ratio, which makes it somewhat of a poor value to me.
The Flue-Cured has a tin note similar to a combo of everything so far, strong fresh USA cig tobacco, some fresh-cut hay, light oats, and something else, a light minty cooling effect if you breath in the tin note deeply. Initially when I hydrated it, it had an odd paste-like odor for a few seconds when I would pop the lid of the jar. This was cut and tasted like a combo of the Blonde and the Red, but with stronger flavor than the Blonde that could get a little bitter if over-heated. I could see packing a bowl with this too.
The Red. This stuff was a little weird to me, having never had stuff as un-adulterated as this before. The tin note has a strong "Nitrogen and rubber"/"air from a tire"/"fresh can of tennis balls" odor, as well as a strong minty cooling affect on the nostrils when inhaled. The leaves were dry, and cut similarly to the Blonde and the Flue-Cured, and many are covered in crystals. I'm not sure if this is dried sugar from a casing, or oils and sugars coming out of the leaves, but I looked at it under a hobby microscope and they look like little columns coming out of the leaves. This smoke was strong in flavor. Earthy, sometimes semi-sweet, but mostly earthy. I could see packing a bowl with this and I could see developing a taste for it. I think people who like their high-quality Red VA in a more natural state would be all over this.
I will come back with more flavor descriptions, but that's what I have for now. These all sneaked up and bit me slightly, mostly my fault. They also all have a pretty good nic-hit.
Also, while I was smoking those in the mornings, I went back through my Blenders Bench Latakia/Oriental blends that I had made up, and realized that I really over-did it with the Wellauers by the fourth day. So, I came up with some new ratios, and the idea of not adding the Wellauers until I am ready to have a bowl of it, and then adding a measured pinch, like 3 or 5%, to a bowls-worth. In my case, I'll just add a pinch from the blends that I already have, until they get used up.
New Lat-Bomb ratios. I'll start making these up one by one in 10 gram batches, and probably split at least some in half so I can add some Basma (10% on top?) to see if I can boost the creaminess a little. Probably with the Bulgarian, possibly with the Izmir, and maybe with the Macedonian.
All start with 50% Blenders Bench Latakia.
-15% Bulgarian, 35% McClellands Latakia
-20% Macedonian, 30% McClellands.
-20% Izmir, 30% McClellands.
25% Yenidje, 25% McClellands.
New Ori-Bomb ratios, same plan as above in terms of batch sizes and adding some Basma to some of it. I'll probably blend up one of these alongside whatever "matching" Lat-Bomb version I decide to blend up.
-80% Bulgarian, 15% D&R Latakia, 5% McClellands Latakia.
-80% Macedonian, 15% D&R Latakia, 5% McClellands.
-80% Izmir, 15% D&R Latakia, 5% McClellands.
-85% Yenidje, 12& D&R Latakia, 3% McClellands.
I figure it's good to start with a big percentage of the main base, so if I want to add a VA to any of these, The ratios should end up somewhere in the "usual" range, keeping in mind that I might also need to add in some more Ori to the Lat Bombs, or Lat to the Ori bombs, once I add any VAs.
Mmmmmmm, D&R Lataaaaaaakiaaaaaaa...... =)


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Anyone know what happened to these offerings? Were they not meant to be long-lived and poofed?
EDIT: I tried to call D&R to ask directly, but no answer :(

 

cosmicfolklore

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The Briary had the line for about a day, and sold out the same day they got them in. I really like the Red Virginia one, and smoke it straight. I’ve seen whole kits go up for sale on here. But, as far as in stores, while guys complained about prices in this thread, when guys come face to face with them, they fly off the shelves. If I notice the Briary, restocking, I’ll try to remember to post... but that may just trigger them to sale out even faster. :puffy:

 

saltedplug

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I don't know how much Craig Tarler smoked the pipe earlier, but in the last years before his death he only smoked when he was blending.

 
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Here is what is left from my DRBB photos:
Some VAs in some jars to smoke out of:

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Some of that awesome Latakia:

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Red V.A. , I personally did not really like this one, but I could see other people really liking it:

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I'll take some new pics since I'll be jarring up some other stuff and rummaging around soon.
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I wonder what makes D&R Latakia so much better - presumably there are only so many Latakia processors that send the stuff over. It's gotta be the same latakia that at least someone else is selling somewhere...

 
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pipesmokingtom
I wonder what makes D&R Latakia so much better - presumably there are only so many Latakia processors that send the stuff over. It's gotta be the same latakia that at least someone else is selling somewhere...
I'm guessing that he bought the best that he could get, and also stored it well. It looks somewhat like the whole-leaf stuff you might still be able to get, but someone sent me some of that, and this stuff basically destroyed it, and everything else I have put up against it, although I think that the McClellands Blending Lat was as-good quality, but a different smoke. Only my opinion on all of this, and I've bought it and most of the comparo-stuff only within the last two or three years.
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Took some pics of some D&R Blenders Bench Oris & VAs in my drawer,

and some Whole-Leaf.com Prilep, which I need more of. Sorry for the glare and poor lighting!
Oris:

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Top row: Basma, Bulgarian, Izmir

Bot row: Macedonian, WholeLeaf.com Prilep, Yenidje
VAs:

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Top row: Blonde, Bright Flue-Cured, Bright VA Tips

Bot row: Bright VA Leaf (both small jars), Flue-Cured
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Cosmic, if you are familiar with the Red Virginia, what other VAs or tobaccos in general do you think it tastes like, if any? I couldn't really comparo it to anything in my drawer. :puffpipe:

 

cosmicfolklore

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I am confused. Do you think it doesn't taste like a red Virginia? In my experience in growing and tasting tobaccos, there is not just one flavor profile for each one. I think that environmental conditions and seasonal changes affects the tobaccos, like the year's affect the grapes that make the wine. Year to year, place to place, the product is going to be different.
Think about this, one seed stock, Virginia Gold, is used to grow every commercial product that is one the shelf known as a Virginia. Sure, having been grown in the Ukraine for a few decades changes it slightly, etc etc... But, all in all, it is a derivative of one plant developed back in the mid 19th century from Orinoco. This is why Annie Cake tastes different from Red Cake, and Escudo, or anything that C&D makes.

I think of Mark Ryan's products like grapes from the vineyard, they may be slightly different from year to year, because he does not case, does not blend. You're getting quality fine wine in that tin, not over processed made to taste the same year in, year out.
or... was I overthinking your question, ha ha.

 
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Maybe, just wondering if it reminds you of anything else out there. The only other thing that I have that has some of the similar flavors is the D&R Flue-Cured that I have. I guess that you are saying that the Red that you have might taste differently than the Red that I have. Not sure when mine was tubbed up, but it's probably a couple years old.

 

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I think that there some similar nuances among all reds, and aged flu cure is darn near the exact same thing, as color curing is to just sort of speed up the socialization, or initial aging of the leaf (I get the terms anaerobic and aerobic confused). I think that some are socialized in different temperatures and conditions, etc, which gives us different tasting leaf. There may even be different methods of color curing. There is not a lot of written material on this, as it is mostly used by commercial processors. But, I’ve seen videos of them flipping through shredded leaf with a shovel in the process, and some will just handled the whole leaf by hand. Anyways, there seems to be an infinite variety of processes to make the reds, just as we seem to have infinite varieties of flavors in the reds.
When I see people talking about recipes to make a blend, I always ask myself what the heck they intend, because if ai mixed a recipe that called for a pound of flue cured Virginia and a pound of Burley, I always wonder which of hundreds of Burley, what type of flue cured? Do they expect to get similar flavors from the blend?

 
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