Dating A Peterson System Pipe

[RPK]

I recently acquired a Peterson System Standard that is stamped with a small encircled MADE IN IRELAND and a stamped shape number 307. The p-lip is quite a bit narrower and smaller in size from my shape number 9 Irish Free State and the other p-lip pipes I have.

I am attempting to date this pipe and I am not sure if it was made during the 1945 -1947 era based on the stamping or not.

So, two questions I have are, what date range would you attribute this pipe to being made during and when did Peterson begin stamping the shape number on their pipes?

The first 2 pictures below are for comparison with the shape number 9 Irish Free State on the top in the first and on the right in the second.

 

[Speak Easy]

I recently acquired a Peterson System Standard that is stamped with a small encircled MADE IN IRELAND and a stamped shape number 307. The p-lip is quite a bit narrower and smaller in size from my shape number 9 Irish Free State and the other p-lip pipes I have.

I am attempting to date this pipe and I am not sure if it was made during the 1945 -1947 era based on the stamping or not.

So, two questions I have are, what date range would you attribute this pipe to being made during and when did Peterson begin stamping the shape number on their pipes?

The first 2 pictures below are for comparison with the shape number 9 Irish Free State on the top in the first and on the right in the second.

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Circular COM stamp should put it in the 45-47 range I believe.

 

[RPK]

Circular COM stamp should put it in the 45-47 range I believe.

That is what I think based upon information I can find but wanted to be sure.

Any idea when the began stamping the shape number on their pipes?

 

[Speak Easy]

That is what I think based upon information I can find but wanted to be sure.

Any idea when the began stamping the shape number on their pipes?

I don’t.

 

[JimInks]

That is what I think based upon information I can find but wanted to be sure.

Any idea when the began stamping the shape number on their pipes?

I know that they were doing it in the 1920s. I don't know if they were doing more than bowl size before that time period. I recommend asking Mark Irwin at his Peterson web site.

 

[Sobrbiker]

Nice score on the 307!
Did you try Peterson?

 

[georged]

Hallmarks

(Rev. 08/25/2022) For those without The Peterson Pipe: The Story of Kapp & Peterson, this is a guide on dating Peterson pipes by their metal-mount markings. There are other useful ways to date …

petersonpipenotes.org

 

[RPK]

@Sobrbiker I did reach out to Peterson as I did when I acquired the Free State but they haven't replied back yet so I thought I'd see what some on this forum might think. I have been up and down the PPN and was fairly certain of the dating but was curious as to when they started stamping shape numbers.

As an aside, a member of this forum that will remain unnamed now has me on a quest to acquire pipes from each of the eras I don't have.

 

[runscott]

I recently acquired a Peterson System Standard that is stamped with a small encircled MADE IN IRELAND and a stamped shape number 307. The p-lip is quite a bit narrower and smaller in size from my shape number 9 Irish Free State and the other p-lip pipes I have.

I am attempting to date this pipe and I am not sure if it was made during the 1945 -1947 era based on the stamping or not.

So, two questions I have are, what date range would you attribute this pipe to being made during and when did Peterson begin stamping the shape number on their pipes?

The first 2 pictures below are for comparison with the shape number 9 Irish Free State on the top in the first and on the right in the second.

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Faux nickel hallmarks mean pre-1963. The hound has a squatty neck, so ~'40s up. I have 1970's Petersons with circular COM's, so that's tough to use for dating. But I lean toward older on this one, unless that reads 'England' (I can't read it). If 'England', maybe 1950's. Most of the 'Ireland' nickle-band pipes I've seen have the COM with two straight lines.

There are a few other characteristics you can use to date these nickel-band pipes if they are a little older than yours. For instance, we know it's 1940's or newer from the circular COM, but if 'Made in xxxx' wasn't in a circle and it had a shape number '9' rather than '307', and a long-necked hound HM, it would probably be 1920's. If it had a concave tenon and a '307' it would probably be 1930's.