Cult Blood Red Moon

Log in

SmokingPipes.com Updates

3 Fresh Il Cerchio Pipes
24 Fresh Rossi Pipes
60 Fresh Savinelli Pipes
12 Fresh Castello Pipes
13 Fresh L'Anatra Pipes

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

Status
Not open for further replies.

wolflarsen

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 29, 2018
861
2,483
I hated 1Q, RLP-6, and Dark Red but do occasionally enjoy Blood Red Moon so I'm surprised to hear that it's a Lane product. I now have to wonder what I would have thought of BRM if I had known it was a bulk Lane aro when I first tried it or what the "tobacco snobs'" impressions of it would be in a blind taste test. As much as we like to think that we're above herd mentality the reality is that reputations and preconceived notions can have profound influences on our opinions.
I'll freely admit that I also enjoy Cult Embassy for those times when I crave a light latakia blend with a touch of vanilla sweetness. Maybe if we can all convince ourselves that it's repackaged Frog Morton it will be bought by masses of pipes smokers with reckless abandon and it's praises sung on tobacco reviews with great reverence.
But seriously, what about the other Cult blends? Are they all repackaged Lane bulk?

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,018
50,369
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Tobacco snobbery has often reared its ridiculous head. Sutliff was a frequent target, excoriated by know-nothings who would then go on to praise other blends, not knowing that they were made by Sutliff and labeled differently. People would rave about the Syrian that McClelland used, which was supplied to them by Sutliff.
It doesn't matter who makes a blend. What matters is, do you enjoy smoking it?

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
60,638
If you sample around in the bulk and bagged blends, you can discover various blends that taste ... suspiciously good.

 
I have and do snoberate at Sutliff in fun. Just because they make some blends that I enjoy for other companies, and a couple that pass muster that they sell, doesn't mean that I can't trash talk them for their aromatics. I have even trash talked them with their own rep (when he was their rep), Mr. Levine, and he has laughed and jumped in with his own jibes in good fun.
I think that all of the companies understand the perceptions that we have. I'm sure the Per isn't crying in his pillow everytime someone makes a MacBitey joke. And, Mr Stokkebye isn't losing any sleep over a non-aro guy cracking on a Lane aromatic joke.
I would NEVER put someone down for liking something that I don't. Someone wants to make a joke about Virginias tasting like cigarettes, or mcClelland tasting like ketchup, I may laugh along with them, without getting bent about someone making fun of something I enjoy.

 
I have never heard a Sutliff comment that is nearly as vile as some lakeland comments, and I enjoy lakelands, but can still join in on the camaraderie against lakelands. Or, maybe I am totally off base, and it is somehow less politically correct to make jokes about Sutliff? I am open to a logical argument.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,263
30,345
Carmel Valley, CA
Tobacco snobbery has often reared its ridiculous head. Sutliff was a frequent target, excoriated by know-nothings who would then go on to praise other blends, not knowing that they were made by Sutliff and labeled differently. People would rave about the Syrian that McClelland used, which was supplied to them by Sutliff.
It doesn't matter who makes a blend. What matters is, do you enjoy smoking it?
That is a radical, even dangerous, viewpoint! (my bolding of Jesse quote.)

 
...so, with this line of thinking... because Samuel Gawith makes some flakes that are not sopping wet, you guys should stand up for them when people make comments about SG making "ALL" sopping wet blends? and, when people say "ALL" GH&co blends are grannie panties? or when someone says all McClellands are ketchupy? Maybe not?

I am just trying to understand. Is Sutliff somehow extra special?
I used to use the word "Eskimo" a lot, till recently someone pointed out to me that it was racist. So, I stopped. Is this something like that?
I am willing to learn and change. I just need to know why.
I would think that for one of the leading aromatic producers with many, many people choosing them for the very reasons I make jokes, it would be an acceptable camaraderie. Unless it is somehow different from the many, many other jokes we make.

I don't want to be an asshole. I just want to join in on the camaraderie... unless that makes me an asshole.
Thanks for helping me learn something here.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
60,638
Cosmic, wise to stay alert. Language that doesn't bother me, because I'm not the subject, can grate and offend others, not just the overly sensitive. A couple to think over and take under advisement, whether you accept the objections or not:

I had a woman friend who felt the final straw in her former marriage when when she heard herself referred to by her husband as "the wife." Like, the steam iron, or something; I get the drift if I think of overhearing my wife call me the husband.

Some women really dislike lady, as classist, since there were women who didn't rate the title.

A Hawaiian friend of Polynesian and Chinese ancestry pointed out that the term Chinaman was a derogatory one.

I don't buy each and every, or even most, such objections, but I hear them, and consider them, and when appropriate, don't use them.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
20,248
57,309
67
Sarasota Florida
On the rare occasions that I do smoke an aromatic I enjoy smoking Blood Red Moon. It has some really nice flavors and it burns nice and clean. I recommend it to anyone who is looking to try an aromatic. I honestly couldn't care less who makes it or if it is the same as a bulk blend. The tins are cheap enough that I would much rather store those than more jars of a bulk version.
Now when the deeming laws take place and Blood Red Moon gets discontinued, I will have plenty of tins that I can sell for a small fortune. People will pay hundreds per tin of the Moon when it is gone. What are they going to pay for the Lane bulk version? I say squat.

 
Dec 24, 2012
7,195
462
Would be interested to get JimInk's view on whether Cult really is the same as Lane TK-6.
Here is Jim's review for Cult:
The nuttiness from the burley is not very noticeable; the earth is a little bit. The Virginia is processed in the cavendish style with a little grass, honey, toast, and citrus. There's a little brown sugar from the black cavendish.The cherry flavor is okay, but not deep, and I got a sour note or two, plus a little syrup near the finish. The chocolate underscores the experience. Won't bite, but can get slightly warm if puffed like a steam engine. Barely has any nicotine. Burns at a moderate pace with a fairly consistent flavor, though the toppings weaken just a mite as you get toward the finish, It will leave some moisture in the pipe, but no dottle, and requires a few relights. The after taste is okay, but the syrup distracts. An all day smoke. Two and a half stars.
He is Jim's review of Lane TK-6:
I get a very mild brown sugar from the black cavendish. The nuttiness from the burley is not very noticeable. The cherry flavor is okay, but not deep, and I got a sour note or two, plus a little syrup near the finish, which affects the after taste. The vanilla is a background player. Barely has any nicotine. Won't bite unless you puff real hard. Has a mostly consistent flavor. Burns fairly well, but will leave some moisture in the pipe, but no dottle. Still, you'll have to wipe your bowl clean when you are done. Needs a few relights. An all day work and play smoke.

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,924
21,666
SE PA USA
The folks who know what's what aren't going to talk out of class. But ask yourself what difference it makes. If you can't tell, right off the bat, that two products sold under different names are in fact identical, then that's really the interesting part, isn't it? That a new label, or a new name changes your perception. The fact that you are consuming the packaging and the marketing as much as (or more than) the product itself is...fascinating.

 

unadoptedlamp

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 19, 2014
742
1,370
Woods- Marketing is a fascinating subject. I personally think it is one of the dodgiest professions going, but it is interesting and worthwhile to get a basic education about it to at least have a small bit of knowledge about how we are all manipulated. You will still undoubtably fall for the traps.
There used to be -or still is- a show on Canada's CBC radio called "under the influence" that highlights this. Podcasts are probably available.
Peck- Why not give it a shot? Do it in secret if you must. Nobody will know. $9 is a few cups of coffee.
I see JimInk has reviewed many blends, and I have read a few of his, but I don't pay much attention to them. A number of reviews that I saw look formulaic to me.

The tobacco components are listed and the associated (generally agreed upon) qualities of those components are noted along with them. It seems a lot like checking off boxes and you could generally get the review by reading the tin notes and combining them all. Helpful parts to me are whether or not it burns hot or has a load of moisture.
It is not a knock against him. I understand many people find his reviews helpful, and that is fine. I didn't notice anything surprising in his method of describing components and flavours, so I found it more helpful to just read the tin notes and then look for a general consensus about whether or not the blend burns hot, has some fatal flaw, etc. To me, that is why tobaccoreviews is useful. I don't find any single review particularly important, but in some blends which have more than 10-20 reviews, you can get a sense of recurring themes on the qualities.
Even then it is hit and miss. Reviews are a highly subjective resource and can be very misleading, especially when using a single point data source.
I get many of the same notes as he does in Cult Blood Red Moon, but also taste a distinct toasted nut that is hard to define. Walnut, perhaps, but this is just my taste. The "syrup" or cherry is a highlight of the blend. What is it distracting from? Those other underlying flavours are all more or less there throughout the bowl... which is why it is an interesting -and in my opinion- complex blend. I find it well balanced. I expect a strong note of cherry, which is the highlight of the blend, and the rest of the notes add the complexity, which makes it interesting. Possibly this is also why it is so favourably reviewed.
But, one person's complex, interesting, tasty smoke is another's mouth-full of ash and steam.
I am skeptical about the direct comparison of TK-6 and Cult only because cacao is not listed in TK-6 on tobaccoreviews. Could be a misprint or omission. I haven't tasted both. If it is not present, I would suspect the flavour profile changes. Or it is just marketing.

 

blendtobac

Lifer
Oct 16, 2009
1,237
216
It's just bulk Lane TK-6 stuffed in a tin and adorned with a catchy lable and title (coupled with a hefty price increase).

Yep, 'tis true. Cult Red Moon is just repackaged Lane bulk.
It's made by Lane, but it isn't one of their stock blends. I had a hand in making it.
Russ

 

morgansteele

Can't Leave
Mar 23, 2018
313
427
"It's made by Lane, but it isn't one of their stock blends. I had a hand in making it." - Russ
Thanks for putting this issue to rest, Russ.

 

qmechanics

Lurker
Dec 17, 2012
27
1
Kansas
Russ I appreciate you piping in. It bothers me when others, especially respected members, speak with authority on something they really do not understand.

 

laniromee

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jul 31, 2018
105
129
I'm just going to play Devil's advocate here, but has anyone here ever tried tinned Q1? It tastes noticeably different from the bulk version. Just like bottled, soda fountain and canned coke do. Maybe the tinning itself makes a difference.

 

nunnster

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 17, 2019
141
63
I love BRM. Also a huge fan of their cult, it's what changed my mind about latikia.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.