Coumarin in Pipe Tobacco

[damacene]

Over the last month I've fallen in love with Peretti's Original Mixture. It happened by accident when I was on a retreat in MA and made a stop into the shop. I asked the clerk for a half pound of royal and he accidentally gave me Original. I didn't notice until I was a few hours outside Boston and decided to just smoke it for the next few weeks. Long story short I've been smoking several bowls everyday since.

I noticed on tobacco reviews Jim is quite certain it has coumarin in it, which can be toxic and cause liver damage at high levels. While I completely understand that tobacco is not safe and causes a variety of different cancers, heart disease etc...i just wanted know if anyone knew the safety of coumarin and it's use in pipe tobacco? Like I've said, I've been smoking a ton of this stuff.

 

[fireground_piper]

I don’t know if anyone is still using it, but once upon a time it was definitely used by manufacturers as a flavoring agent.

 

[anotherbob]

Over the last month I've fallen in love with Peretti's Original Mixture. It happened by accident when I was on a retreat in MA and made a stop into the shop. I asked the clerk for a half pound of royal and he accidentally gave me Original. I didn't notice until I was a few hours outside Boston and decided to just smoke it for the next few weeks. Long story short I've been smoking several bowls everyday since.

I noticed on tobacco reviews Jim is quite certain it has coumarin in it, which can be toxic and cause liver damage at high levels. While I completely understand that tobacco is not safe and causes a variety of different cancers, heart disease etc...i just wanted know if anyone knew the safety of coumarin and it's use in pipe tobacco? Like I've said, I've been smoking a ton of this stuff.

the amount you would need to cause harm with coumarin would not be possible to get into tobacco. Honestly zero to worry about. And it's in many things that aren't sort of banned in America not just tonka beans. You'd over dose on nicotine before you hit any level of danger from coumarin.

 

[anotherbob]

I don’t know if anyone is still using it, but once upon a time it was definitely used by manufacturers as a flavoring agent.

Yes it is.
And fun fact no one has ever been a documented poisoning from tonka beans which have been used and are in use all over the world for at least a few generations.
Worry about it is silly and the ban is stupid.
Fun fact lots of things we consume with zero health issues would be poisonous in unrealistically high doses. Some vitamins can kill you or make you sick if you have too much of them.

 

[Sobrbiker]

Just don’t shoot it up and you’ll be fine.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

If it was there with the pipe tobacco productions and still are it would be silly to worry about it,must not be anything worse than PC which is applied to almost every pipe tobacco out there

 

[Briarcutter]

,must not be anything worse than PC

I'm glad you didn't write "PCP"

 

[Gerald Boone]

Over the last month I've fallen in love with Peretti's Original Mixture. It happened by accident when I was on a retreat in MA and made a stop into the shop. I asked the clerk for a half pound of royal and he accidentally gave me Original. I didn't notice until I was a few hours outside Boston and decided to just smoke it for the next few weeks. Long story short I've been smoking several bowls everyday since.

I noticed on tobacco reviews Jim is quite certain it has coumarin in it, which can be toxic and cause liver damage at high levels. While I completely understand that tobacco is not safe and causes a variety of different cancers, heart disease etc...i just wanted know if anyone knew the safety of coumarin and it's use in pipe tobacco? Like I've said, I've been smoking a ton of this stuff.

I agree with others here that as long as you are not consuming a lot every day it's probably fine; which is true of about anything. Even candy, licorice (the good stuff not imitation) can hurt you.

Licorice Root: Usefulness and Safety

This fact sheet provides basic information about licorice root—common names, usefulness and safety, and resources for more information.

www.nccih.nih.gov

 

[WVOldFart]

If you ate 10 pounds of sugar a day, it just might kill you, but a sprinkling of sugar on your cereal is tasty and fine.

 

[BayouGhost]

I have read a thread on this site where they debunked this in a way and determined that even if you smoked 16 bowls per day you would still be ingesting what amounts to a trace amount and still less than the daily limit for concern in humans.

 

[Cracklin' Tobaccy]

Tonka bean contains coumarin. If a mix has tonka there is coumarin in it. Anyone taking blood thinners should be cautious smoking those blends as it can compound the effects and cause complications.

 

[BingBong]

Tonka bean contains coumarin. If a mix has tonka there is coumarin in it. Anyone taking blood thinners should be cautious smoking those blends as it can compound the effects and cause complications.

So 1792 Flake is contra-indicated?

 

[Waning Embers]

I went through several dozen pounds of deertongue blends. You'll be fine.

 

[anotherbob]

Don't forget tonka is less illegal then kinder eggs. So don't smoke kinder eggs.

 

[renfield]

Some topics just never quit coming back.

 

[Briar Lee]

In 1954 the federal government forbid tonka beans from being sold in food.

Millions of little kids were deprived of tasty tonka beans in their cereal and candies and baby formulas.

But, we geezers can smoke all the tonka beans we like!




Life’s not fair to children, you know?

They don’t get to drive cars, or booze it up, or smoke, or gamble, or eat tonka beans.

 

[Terry Lennox]

Coumarin was the flavor used in the original Capstan. It was a trade secret, but in the online archive of tobacco litigation documents, you can find the code name they used in the recipe "stanuned."

 

[damacene]

Thank you everyone for your responses and for easing my mind. I'm going to keep smoking this blend all day, order a couple more pounds, and if the liver goes it's just the beer to blame. Cheers!

 

[sardonicus87]

Water can be toxic at high levels.

Nicotine/tobacco is used to make pesticide.

Lithium is used as a mood stabilizer that, above certain levels, is poisonous and causes liver damage.

Currents were banned from being grown in the USA until the 1980's because of a disease that killed pine trees.

Broccoli contains cyanide* (not directly, it contains chemicals that, when digested and metabolized, become cyanide).

As always, "it's the dose that makes the poison". Banned status and other things a thing happens to also be used for don't necessarily mean something is toxic and will kill you with miniscule use.

 

[andrew]

You'd think if it was that toxic perrettis wouldn't be allowed to use it.