Continued Disappointment With Bulk Blends

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rushx9

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Also, clarification for everyone here, the Sutliff 759 Match was blended by Russ Oullette for Carl McAllister. It literally is the "bulk version" of Blackhouse. If you were to jar it for a few months I don't believe anyone could tell a difference... unless they have a strong psychosomatic bias against bulk blends.
I have to amend my own statement. I'm sure Russ Oullette himself and a few other master blenders could pick out a few minor differences, and our resident review guru Jim would notice an extra blade of grass here or there, but most mortals would have difficulty telling them apart. When I say I like 759 match better, it's because of the price difference and because it seems a bit "fresher" out of the bag. Tins are heat and vacuum sealed so they could seem a bit more "matured" and I have no idea if they are aged some before distribution.
 

logs

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I'd recommend GLP BlackPoint. It's available in 8oz tins and is also inspired by Sobranie 759. It's the closest thing to BlackHouse I can think of and a really super great blend, especially with a couple years of age on it. Truthfully, I prefer it over BlackHouse by a little bit, but both are lovely. It's not in bulk, but 8oz tins do save you some money if you're planning to stock up.
 

mtwaller

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Many thanks, pipe gurus! I’m excited to try 759 match and GLP Blackpoint. I’ve always meant to get around to some GLP blends but never had the kick in the ass needed to pull the trigger. I’m not huge on 8 oz cans, but that’s how I’m cellaring all of my Plum Pudding, so... it is what it is.
 
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logs

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I gave up trying bulk Aromatics pretty quickly. It needs to come from the tin to maintain the flavouring.
I've had the opposite problem. I bought 16oz of Mac Baren Virginia No 1 and found it to be notably different than a tin I'd had previously, (I had a two year old tin that got me interested in this blend in the first place). The bag reeked of vanilla topping, which is something I never noticed in the tin version. I hadn't considered Virginia No 1 an aro until I bought it in bulk. As it is, the heavy-duty vanilla is entirely unacceptable and ruins the smoke so far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping some age will kill it.
 
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JimInks

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@mso489 you and cosmic are probably right, I’ve no doubt. If I want BlackHouse I should buy exactly that. I was hoping there was a more miserly version sitting out there unnoticed, but perhaps it’s a fool’s errand. I’ll continue to stock up on tins of the real thing while I explore more options ?
You may like Wilke's Surbrug Crystal Palace. Here's my review of it.

The smoky, woody, earthy, musty, incense-like, sweet Cyprian Latakia is the lead component as well as a team player. The toasty, nutty, earthy, woody burley is in an important support position. The unsweetened brown sugary black cavendish almost plays a secondary role as does the grassy, citrusy, lightly dark fruity Virginias. The plum is more noticeable than the spice from the perique, which continually lurks in the background. The strength barely reaches the medium level while the taste sits squarely on that mark. The nic-hit is just past the center of mild to medium. No chance of bite and has no rough edges or harshness. Burns cool and clean at a moderate pace with very consistent, well balanced mildly sweet and lightly savory flavor from start to finish. Leaves little dampness in the bowl and requires an average number of relights. Has a very pleasant, lightly lingering after taste, and can be all day smoke. The sweetness reminds me a little of Balkan Sobranie 759.
 

JimInks

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Also, clarification for everyone here, the Sutliff 759 Match was blended by Russ Oullette for Carl McAllister. It literally is the "bulk version" of Blackhouse. If you were to jar it for a few months I don't believe anyone could tell a difference... unless they have a strong psychosomatic bias against bulk blends.
I totally agree with this.
 

JimInks

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Everytime I went out to the bulk bins to find a match to a legendary Blend, I have been disappointed. I stopped doing it. Well, not true. ONCE, I discovered I like Elizabethan MATCH as much as I do Elizabethan. They are different and do not match but the MATCH is a great standalone Va/Per.

Everytime I went to the bulk bins to find a good tobacco, I succeeded. Some of my favorite blends can be purchased in bulk but they are not replacements for legendary blends that I will also cellar.
The Sutliff Elizabethan Match (now called Victoria) was based on the Murray's version, which was very superior to the current incarnation. That's why they are different.
 

BROBS

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I've had the opposite problem. I bought 16oz of Mac Baren Virginia No 1 and found it to be notably different than a tin I'd had previously, (I had a two year old tin that got me interested in this blend in the first place). The bag reeked of vanilla topping, which is something I never noticed in the tin version. I hadn't considered Virginia No 1 an aro until I bought it in bulk. As it is, the heavy-duty vanilla is entirely unacceptable and ruins the smoke so far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping some age will kill it.
Gotta age 1 year before you can play the field.
 
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