Comoys - Transplant a C drilled Stem Logo

[ssjones]

I'm curious if anyone has successfully or unsuccessfully transplanted a C stem logo on a Comoy's pipe?

I was watching and actually bid unsuccesfully on this pre-WWII era Shape 234. The C is MIA or most of it

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[didimauw]

This is the closest I've seen to such thing!

@RustiePyles CPG

Replacing a Kaywoodie Stem With Logo and Stinger. :: Pipe Repair and Maintenance

A friend asked me to make a new stem for this 1930’s Thorn. Here’s some pictures of the logo transfer process. The new stem is black acrylic hand cut from rod stock. The original stinger was used on the new stem. Here’s the new stem roughed out. Removing the logo from the old stem with a very...

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[RustiePyles CPG]

Making a new one isn’t all that hard if you’re equipped to do it. It’s a pretty simple job.

 

[ssjones]

Making a new one isn’t all that hard if you’re equipped to do it. It’s a pretty simple job.

I've only seen a handful in the past 10 years, none of them looked to be the factory size.
I just read your Kaywoodie stem repair/logo transplant. That was pretty close to what I was envisioning. Wish I had read that post a few days ago, I would have bid with more confidence.

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

I've only seen a handful in the past 10 years, none of them looked to be the factory size.
I just read your Kaywoodie stem repair/logo transplant. That was pretty close to what I was envisioning. Wish I had read that post a few days ago, I would have bid with more confidence.

I thought of bidding on this one but didn’t in the end. If I had won it I would have just turned a new C for it and notched it.

 

[craiginthecorn]

The thing is, it’s not one piece. First, a piece of white rod is inserted, making the dot forming the C. Next, a smaller hole is drilled in the center of that white dot and a back rod is inserted, forming a circle. Finally, another hole is drilled which intersects the right side of the circle, forming the C. Finally, a piece of black rod is used to fill in that hole.

On a related topic, I have a Kaywoodie meerschaum bulldog which has lost its clover insignia which I’d like to replace.

 

[captainsousie]

My 499 has an acrylic "smoking stem" which has a size-accurate 3 piece C. I wish I knew who did it.

 

[bayareabriar]

I've only seen a handful in the past 10 years, none of them looked to be the factory size.
I just read your Kaywoodie stem repair/logo transplant. That was pretty close to what I was envisioning. Wish I had read that post a few days ago, I would have bid with more confidence.

Factory size? What sizes do you typically see in the variances? Do you have any examples of correct and incorrect?

 

[ssjones]

Factory size? What sizes do you typically see in the variances? Do you have any examples of correct and incorrect?

Well, the factory drilled C is always uniform in size, to my knowledge. I never thought to measure it.

It's been said here (on a thread from 2014), that Walker can make a new Comoys stem logo, but I've never seen pictures of one.

Adam Davidson made a replacement C stem logo for one of Neill Archer Roans pipes, and Neill documented it in his blog. Unfortunately that blog is now history. From memory, the logo looked good, but was significantly larger.

I'd love to see pictures of a replacement C, if anyone has them.

 

[simong]

Making a new one isn’t all that hard if you’re equipped to do it. It’s a pretty simple job.

How many have you done?
I've never seen a replacement that 'cuts the mustard' as they say. If it's as simple a job as you say, I'm surprised I haven't seen any. Please post photos of yours!

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

How many have you done?
I've never seen a replacement that 'cuts the mustard' as they say. If it's as simple a job as you say, I'm surprised I haven't seen any. Please post photos of yours!

10 or so, I'll see if I can find a picture.

 

[georged]

How many have you done?
I've never seen a replacement that 'cuts the mustard' as they say. If it's as simple a job as you say, I'm surprised I haven't seen any. Please post photos of yours!

It's a mistake to assume the word "simple" means easy to execute with precision.

A heart transplant is simple---cut one out, stuff another one in after sewing its tubey things to their matching tubey things, and whip stitch the body back together... right?

When it comes to the Comoy's 3-piece trademark, there's something in play that makes replicating it a proper pig bitch: The human eye is astonishingly sensitive to concentricity. It's why military rifles have peep sights... no training is necessary to align them. Everyone does it instinctively. It hurts to make your brain do otherwise.

Meaning the center of the Comoy's "C" must be aligned within a ten-thousandth of an inch. No leeway, no exceptions.

And the parts are teeny. The size of something an ant could carry away.

It's more like watchmaking than pipe repair.

And if you can't manage it, the buzzer goes off and a hook comes out to drag you offstage, because there are no second chances---drilling out a screwed up attempt requires same level of precision that you just demonstrated you can't manage. (i.e. If you don't drill it out for try #2 dead-on, you'll create an egg-shaped hole with a thin white line on one side.)

 

[ssjones]

It's a mistake to assume the word "simple" means easy to execute with precision.

A heart transplant is simple---cut one out, stuff another one in after sewing its tubey things to their matching tubey things, and whip stitch the body back together... right?

When it comes to the Comoy's 3-piece trademark, there's something in play that makes replicating it a proper pig bitch: The human eye is astonishingly sensitive to concentricity. It's why military rifles have peep sights... no training is necessary to align them. Everyone does it instinctively. It hurts to make your brain do otherwise.

Meaning the center of the Comoy's "C" must be aligned within a ten-thousandth of an inch. No leeway, no exceptions.

And the parts are teeny. The size of something an ant could carry away.

It's more like watchmaking than pipe repair.

And if you can't manage it, the buzzer goes off and a hook comes out to drag you offstage, because there are no second chances---drilling out a screwed up attempt requires same level of precision that you just demonstrated you can't manage. (i.e. If you don't drill it out for try #2 dead-on, you'll create an egg-shaped hole with a thin white line on one side.)

Have you ever attempted this George? I'm guessing if anyone can pull it off, it's you or Rusty. The diameter of that 3rd rod, the one that turns the O into a C has to be miniscule.

And for the rest of the group,don't forget, there's zero photo evidence or documentation that Comoys actually did it that way, with three drills/rods.

 

[georged]

Have you ever attempted this George? I'm guessing if anyone can pull it off, it's you or Rusty. The diameter of that 3rd rod, the one that turns the O into a C has to be miniscule.

And for the rest of the group,don't forget, there's zero photo evidence or documentation that Comoys actually did it that way, with three drills/rods.

Comoy's had access to---or maybe had made for them---"bullseye" rod, meaning white with a black center.

With that, making the 3-part C was no more difficult than any other two dot trademark. After the bullseye was in place the black dot needed to "open" the C wasn't precision sensitive. Close was good enough.

There is no bullseye rod available today, though. Replicating it is the problem. Doing that takes Rustie-level skillz and toolz.

 

[AJL67]

It's a mistake to assume the word "simple" means easy to execute with precision.

A heart transplant is simple---cut one out, stuff another one in after sewing its tubey things to their matching tubey things, and whip stitch the body back together... right?

When it comes to the Comoy's 3-piece trademark, there's something in play that makes replicating it a proper pig bitch: The human eye is astonishingly sensitive to concentricity. It's why military rifles have peep sights... no training is necessary to align them. Everyone does it instinctively. It hurts to make your brain do otherwise.

Meaning the center of the Comoy's "C" must be aligned within a ten-thousandth of an inch. No leeway, no exceptions.

And the parts are teeny. The size of something an ant could carry away.

It's more like watchmaking than pipe repair.

And if you can't manage it, the buzzer goes off and a hook comes out to drag you offstage, because there are no second chances---drilling out a screwed up attempt requires same level of precision that you just demonstrated you can't manage. (i.e. If you don't drill it out for try #2 dead-on, you'll create an egg-shaped hole with a thin white line on one side.)

We alll know that "Simple" was just the Rust-man's flex as the kids would say, well deserved, but still a flex.

 

[Ahi Ka]

I have a Comoy’s pipe I’m willing to let you put a C in the stem of, just incase it’s easier than finding the pictures

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

Ok, instead of just posting a picture of one I did and letting everyone pick it apart. Let’s try another exercise, you tell me which C or C’s I did. The closeups are not in the same order as the pipe pics.

 

[AJL67]

Ok, instead of just posting a picture of one I did and letting everyone pick it apart. Let’s try another exercise, you tell me which C or C’s I did. The closeups are not in the same order as the pipe pics.
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Honestly I'm guessing that the Cs that are funky and at bad angles are the original Cs and the ones that look perfect are the one's Captain Stem-man did.

 

[bayareabriar]

It’s so interesting. So initially I was focusing on the second black dot size, but noticed 2 are larger than the others and not just 1 is different. Even the layout of the third dot/second black dot varies.

 

[Ahi Ka]

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