Comoy's Extraordinaire 235 & Kaywoodie 235 Uncle Paul

[mawnansmiff]

Hi folks, a newbie member from Cornwall UK here with a question. I have recently acquired (from different sources) both a Comoy's Extraordinaire 235 Oom Paul and a Kaywoodie 235 Uncle Paul. The comoy's is obviously London made but so too is the Kaywoodie. I only realised they both had the same shape number whilst photographing them prior to possible sale. What also struck me most was the direct similarity twixt both pipes in shape, size and quality of grain (both are stunning). The only differences twixt both pipes (nomenclature aside) is that the Kaywoodie is a tiny fraction smaller than the Comoy's and that the former has a saddle stem whereas the latter has a tapered stem, otherwise they could be twins!
What is the likelihood of the Kaywoodie being made by Comoy's?
Regards,
Jay.
PS: Would some kind soul please explain to me how one goes about adding a photo to a posting.

 

[bonehed]

Instructions. :wink:

 

[mawnansmiff]

Thank you so much Bonehed, I shall now read the instructions and if written in a way a 4 yearold might understand then I should get it. I feel that posts that include photos tend to get a better response.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[ssjones]

Interesting. Here's a shot of both shapes:

 

[mawnansmiff]

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l321/Bildeborg/IMG_0001_zpshda7cmgl.jpg
Test image.
Comoy's 235 to the left, Kaywoodie 235 to the right.

 

[xrundog]

I think both brands were under the Cadogan umbrella.

 

[dmcmtk]

Right click on the image itself, and copy its location into the IMG dialog box.

 

[dmcmtk]

Not exactly the same shape (look at the gap distance between the rim and the end of the shank), but perhaps more importantly, not the same era. The Comoy's appears to be a pre-WWII pipe (the arched COMOY'S mark)......Kaywoodie people, what are we seeing here?

 

[ssjones]

From the Pipe pages below, a 1985 date is cited, which would have been after the 235 was made. Oppenheimer is sited as the maker, so who knows?

English Kaywoodies. All of the catalogs reviewed in this research contained the following copyright notification: Printed in U.S.A., Kaufmann Bros. and Bondy, Inc., New York and London. Kaywoodie Pipe cases and smoker's accessories were also marked with "New York and London". The catalogs, however, do not present any information concerning Kaywoodie's London operations, or how the English Kaywoodies might have differed from those manufactured and marketed in the U.S. Lowndes notes that he has several English Kaywoodies acquired in Vaduz and Zurich. English Kaywoodies are now made by Oppenheimer pipes. Lowndes notes that English Kaywoodies with the "screw-in bit" come in Ruby Grain, Custom Grain, Standard, and Relief Grain grades. The traditional push-bit models come in Continental Plain and Relief, London Made, Minaret, Airway Polished No. 707, and Lightweight grades. Prices in 1985 ranged from 9.50 (pounds) to 26.00 (pounds). Lowndes notes that the Super Star was a special edition English Kaywoodie made of finest briar with a handmade silver band. Lowndes has two: one from Zurich with a large white-outlined logo, and beautifully cased; and one in walnut finish with the black-­in-white logo. A recent catalog shows the Super Star without a band and the ordinary small white logo. A 1985 letter from Oppenheimer states that the black-in-white logo has been discontinued and only the regular white logo is now used.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Thanks so much Dave for sorting my picture out. I have now spent over an hour trying to sort out how to post images on this site.....incredibly complicated for such a simple task if you ask me.
Re the Comoy's 235, I too thought it was circa 1930's but when I offered it for sale to author and Comoy's collector Neill Archer he told me it was definitely 1960's. Granted, he had not seen the photos but more pertinent to me was that he already has this shape so alas no sale.
As for the similarities, I do not claim they are identical, just that they are very similar indeed, plus, the designated 235 for both pipes is a puzzle. One thing I forgot to mention in my first post is that the Comoy's has a bevelled rim whereas the Kaywoodie does not.
That all said, in the flesh they really are incredibly alike and indeed both smoke alike which is great. I have only smoked the Comoy's the once as I have decided to sell it off to fund some estates for me to restore and smoke as I am the proverbial church mouse!
So, did Comoy's make London made Kaywoodies?
Thanks again and best regards,
Jay.
PS: I have more photos if they might help.

 

[dmcmtk]

From the Pipe pages below, a 1985 date is cited, which would have been after the 235 was made. Oppenheimer is sited as the maker, so who knows?

But wait a minute, Comoy's was part of Oppenheimer. I think what is important is the dating of the Kaywoodie. Two other things, the Comoy's is an Extraordinaire, and what one must also consider, is the slight changes in shapes sometimes seen with British makers. I don't know the answer, just raising the questions...

 

[mawnansmiff]

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l321/Bildeborg/IMG_0002%202_zpsui92b7qb.jpg
T'other side. For some reason I am unable to post an image into this box, only a link.
This site involves so much hard work to complete simple tasks!

 

[dmcmtk]

Jay, if the COMOY'S mark is arched, it's pre-war. As you said, Neill didn't see the pictures. The style of the stem also has a very pre-war look to it. I'm not the best person here to ask about Kaywoodies, but as I said, I think the key would be to date it. I do think it is possible that it was made by Comoy's.

 

[dmcmtk]

Just right click on the photobucket image>click Copy Image Location>click the IMG icon in the toolbar above>backspace out the default blue highlighted http:// ,right click and paste the copied image location>click OK. The image will show when you click Send Post.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Thanksfor the info SSJones, thanks too Dave. Once I have got my breath back I shall endeavour to (try) and post close up images of the Kaywoodie.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[ssjones]

All modern cell phones take great close-up pix of nomenclature. Put the pipe under a light, turn of the flash and zoom in. All of my nomenclature pix are taken with my cell.

 

[mawnansmiff]

http://s328.photobucket.com/user/Bildeborg/media/IMG_0007%202_zpsmxhgqofr.jpg.html
Front on view (trying Dave's method of direct insertion).

 

[ssjones]

You can also put pix in your album here, there is a sticky on that.

 

[ssjones]

Using Photobucket, DON'T use the IMG function in this reply box. Copy and paste from the right Photobucket screen the URL of the IMG option. Photobucket formats it for direct insertion, so just past that right into the thread as below.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Right & left side of Kaywoodie showing stampings.
Alas Dave, it didn't work. Rather like SSJones first post, the first image is simply a postage stamp sized picture of nothing but his second picture come through fine.
Not a clue where I am going wrong here.