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Lifer
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Who can get it done? Imagine the time and expense saved dialing in of preferences? I'm thinking, to begin, the four points would have to be Latakia, Virginia, Burley, and ... aromatics?

Credit: https://www.homegrounds.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Coffee-compass-illustration-1.jpg

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In my opinion this thing for tobacco would place too much importance on the destination and would ignore the journey. I like flailing about in a sea of tobacco options. I like to walk a little slow and smell the flowers. I’m less concerned with the destination and more interested in the journey.
 

ThomasS

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But... but... coffee prep is at least as complicated!

What beans, what roast, what style of brewing? Do you prefer black coffee, or do you add things? Do you like flavored coffee, or just the natural beans (which usually aren't natural unless you buy green and roast your own)...

This is the Mr. Coffee version of a chart with just water and amount. One point for at least mentioning grind in the remediation side.
 
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mingc

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Title edited for capitals and brevity. (Rule 9) Would you please add location?

Who can get it done? Imagine the time and expense saved dialing in of preferences? I'm thinking, to begin, the four points would have to be Latakia, Virginia, Burley, and ... aromatics?

Credit: https://www.homegrounds.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Coffee-compass-illustration-1.jpg

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I can't say that I find word salads like this helpful. There's precision and there's getting lost in the details. I say this falls in the latter.
 

TampaPete

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I think the issue with adapting the coffee compass is that it's (I think) intended to help troubleshoot your brew, and with coffee, you enjoy it after brewing it.

With pipe smoking, you're enjoying it while "brewing" it. I guess one could start with something along the lines of a general flavor wheel, or one for cigars or even pipe tobacco and combine that with the compass idea. Perhaps use the wheel for "during" and a "pipe compass" for after. Maybe have cardinal directions for bowl size, cadence, beverage pairing (just spit-balling).

From a recent SPC blog post (talking about palate refinement and C&D's Tasting Journal oddly enough)...

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Neat idea, but also sounds like a lot of brain involved.
 

sardonicus87

Lifer
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This also seems like at best, it'll only be potentially helpful for home blending, not finding new blends to try.

Even then, you're talking about combining flavors, and flavors don't always change and combine like you think they would. Kind of like EQ'ing music—for example, you make bass sound punchier and stand out more not by boosting the bass (around 100 Hz and under), but by cutting the lowest mids (around 125 and 250 Hz, maybe even 500 Hz) where the bass transients live.

I would imagine tobacco blending is the same way.

That coffee compass also isn't about finding coffee you like, it's about fixing bad brewing technique/parameters.

Regardless, for example, in some English blends, the lat is musky and leathery and in others, it's smokey and woody. Some may like lat blends one way and not the other. Even then, how that's interpreted is different for everyone. The same blend might taste smokey to one, and burnt to another, and sour to yet another.

Even that scale isn't the best representation for coffee. Look at two that are on opposite sides: underwhelming and empty. How are those two descriptions different things with different requirements? They both are, to me, near synonyms for "weak" or "thin". Furthermore, how is "astringent" in-between "empty" and "muted" in the same quadrant and requiring the same correction? Astringent is definitely not empty or muted.

I mean, yes the compass works for coffee if you make it more broad and generalized. Coffee too sour? Under extracted. Too bitter is over extracted. Both corrected by fixing grind (grind finer if too sour, coarser if too bitter). Weak vs strong is easy, just add more/less coffee relative to water. But then, what if the particular coffee you're drinking is SUPPOSED to have sour notes, like a fermented coffee? Then you have to understand relative flavor and what it tastes like relative to what it "should" taste like.
 
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Pipe blends are kinda funny things. Even with reviews, and suggestions, unless you smoke it, you won't know what it would be like. Taste chart/graph/pipe only gives one more option to waste your money on.
 
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TampaPete

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There should be a flavor wheel template that you fill out based on your personal interpretation of flavor/aroma. Then use that to track your experiences and then update the baseline every 3-6 months to see how it changes. Assuming of course the goal is to refine your palate.
 
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