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Both are from Fatma Tufan. I'll likely get cob and morta bowls for them as well.
I always wanted (but haven't found yet) a corn cob bowl for my Falcons, which by the way I also like very much and I have many of them, but not so many as corn cobs, or briars... (the inner voice shouts "you must stop" but I suspect it's lying......).
 

anotherbob

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Pipes are just an airway though. No real difference in performance between one or another regardless of materials used.
I know that's how you feel but I certainly can tell differences between different pipes. I wouldn't say any of them are critical. But you can't convince me there isn't a difference if that's my experience. However I will say to I've never seen a difference that lines up with magical thinking that I've heard about pipes in the thousand(s) dollar range. And finally even if there is zero functional physical difference, the psychological differences are going to have some effect on the gestalt of it.
 

Bassman65

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I love smoking with a 9mm charcoal filter. Only one cob that I own can accommodate this unfortunately. When I smoke my cobs, I can only use a 6mm.

On the positive side for cobs, if I drop one in the snow I’m not as concerned.
 

MisterBadger

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On the topic of taste, I have noticed that Jeremy Reeves smokes tiny clays when tasting/reviewing a blend, that suggests to me that from a professional’s point of view these must be the cleanest/most neutral pipes. Can clay pipes be fired to burn off any residue?
They can indeed, though it does tend to make them more brittle.
(Never smoked a cob, so keeping stumm about all the rest).
 
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Chasing Embers

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I realize this is your opinion, which you are entitled to. My opinion is, your opinion is wrong in several ways.

Wait a few decades. All you're smoking is a straw and once fully broken in there's not much difference between one or another. Opinions are never wrong as they are subjective so kindly lay off the condescension and I will return the favor.
 
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Epip Oc'Cabot

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Both are from Fatma Tufan. I'll likely get cob and morta bowls for them as well.
That is very interesting to see there are after market Meerschaum bowls for Falcons etc. the tall bowls…. am I presuming correctly they likewise hold a larger volume of tobacco than the standard sized bowls?

I greatly appreciate the beauty of a Meerschaum pipe, but I only have one Meerschaum myself for to me I would be concerned that I would be too “clumsy” and would break it. I have not smoked the Meerschaum I have now, but had one a long time ago I did smoke (and liked) but was unhappy at its demise through my own fault.
 

Epip Oc'Cabot

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Both are from Fatma Tufan. I'll likely get cob and morta bowls for them as well.
They have after market COB bowls for falcons??? I am surprised…. it would seem difficult to carve or lathe(?) a piece of cob to fit the relatively precise tolerances needed for a Falcon. Do you have any photos of a cob aftermarket bowl for a Falcon? It would be interesting to see the base and how it was designed.
 

PipeIT

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Not to drag poor to Jim into this, but I have to be honest, reading several years back, how he mentioned I believe in a review, that using a pot shape, allowed for more nuances.

So at the time, not knowing better, I only looked at, considered this shape, later to realize, it’s about having a big chamber diameter.

So when I mentioned differences between different materials, I really believe if you’re going to test this yourself, you need to test against different materials that all have pretty much the same specs.

Because if you have as an example, a cob with a small chamber diameter, and a briar, with a larger diameter, from my own past experiences, this won’t make for a fair assessment.

I’ve smoked a lot of small chambered pipes, and compared to a larger chamber they have always muted the flavors more, especially on complex blends.

On my cobs and briar pipes I compared blends with, that had similar chamber sizes, I always noticed the cobs delivered a lighter, more airy taste to the blend, which I always attributed to cobs being more porous, delivering this lighter taste.

Performance, as being mentioned before is an interesting choice of words. I consider the performance as to how well the pipe smoked, cool, dry, not gurgling, not wet, just delivering a good smoke.

I even mentioned saying the different materials will perform in different ways, and I have experienced this. Some cooler, some lighter, some richer, some wetter, etc…

To be fair, I would say between all the different materials, as long as they are typically the same specs, the differences might be quite subtle, as long as the quality between the pipes is good.

I wouldn’t say I ever noticed extreme differences, most of the time it was subtle. But with some complex blends, some of the flavors could get lost, and sometimes the flavors weren’t as rich or tasty.
 
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LeafErikson

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They have after market COB bowls for falcons??? I am surprised…. it would seem difficult to carve or lathe(?) a piece of cob to fit the relatively precise tolerances needed for a Falcon. Do you have any photos of a cob aftermarket bowl for a Falcon? It would be interesting to see the base and how it was designed.
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The late great fishnbanjo appears to have had one. This pic popped up when I googled 'cob falcon bowl'. RIP.
 

Briarcutter

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Wait a few decades. All you're smoking is a straw and once fully broken in there's not much difference between one or another. Opinions are never wrong as they are subjective so kindly lay off the condescension and I will return the favor.
All I was getting at is I believe quality materials makes a difference in the quality of the smoke. Meerchaum,clay,briar or cobs. I could make you a pipe with the highest quality briar and one with the lowest grade and there would be a smoking difference. Or high quality briar and a piece of 2x4, there would be a difference in smoking qualities, now or in twenty years. i dont smoke many cobs but I really enjoyed the MM I smoked and thought the smoking quality excellent and I don't think MM uses just any cob, they are selective.
 

MisterBadger

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Not to drag poor to Jim into this, but I have to be honest, reading several years back, how he mentioned I believe in a review, that using a pot shape, allowed for more nuances.

So at the time, not knowing better, I only looked at, considered this shape, later to realize, it’s about having a big chamber diameter.

So when I mentioned differences between different materials, I really believe if you’re going to test this yourself, you need to test against different materials that all have pretty much the same specs.

Because if you have as an example, a cob with a small chamber diameter, and a briar, with a larger diameter, from my own past experiences, this won’t make for a fair assessment.

I’ve smoked a lot of small chambered pipes, and compared to a larger chamber they have always muted the flavors more, especially on complex blends.

On my cobs and briar pipes I compared blends with, that had similar chamber sizes, I always noticed the cobs delivered a lighter, more airy taste to the blend, which I always attributed to cobs being more porous, delivering this lighter taste.

Performance, as being mentioned before is an interesting choice of words. I consider the performance as to how well the pipe smoked, cool, dry, not gurgling, not wet, just delivering a good smoke.

I even mentioned saying the different materials will perform in different ways, and I have experienced this. Some cooler, some lighter, some richer, some wetter, etc…

To be fair, I would say between all the different materials, as long as they are typically the same specs, the differences might be quite subtle, as long as the quality between the pipes is good.

I wouldn’t say I ever noticed extreme differences, most of the time it was subtle. But with some complex blends, some of the flavors could get lost, and sometimes the flavors weren’t as rich or tasty.
To arrive at a truly objective, scientifically based conclusion it strikes me one would need to have identical-shaped and sized Falcon bowls for clay, cob, Meer, briar, morta, porcelain, Brylon etc., all filled with tobacco from the same jar, the subject(s) blindfolded, the same method used to light each one and rigorous attention paid to weather -humidity, light levels, temperature, barometric pressure etc - these can all affect one's mood as well as the thermodynamics of smoking - and each trial carried out in a controlled environment, in the same chair, etc, etc. And each time the subject should be experiencing an identical degree of desire for a smoke. Then, to obviate any lingering degree of subjectivity, the test subjects should number in their thousands and cover a comprehensive range of ages and ethnicities, from the same elevation above sea level. Frankly I think it's a bit late in the day for such a research proposal to have a snowball in Hell's chance of grant funding but I humbly offer these suggestions to anyone who wants to Get The Right Answer About The Best Of All Possible Pipes.
 

Chasing Embers

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I could make you a pipe with the highest quality briar and one with the lowest grade and there would be a smoking difference
I've had it all and other than the aesthetics of the design of the pipe, no difference in performance of the pipe or flavor of the tobacco. I chased that notion for over thirty years and finally had to throw in the towel. The combustion temperature of the tobacco doesn't change from pipe to pipe and the smokability of a pipe is affected more by the user than the pipe. For example, I once collected Savinelli's shape 904 and its three variants. I had them from the lowly Unfinished line all the way to the Giubileo d'Oros and out of over 50 pipes in that group there was zero discernable difference between the smoking properties between each pipe. Sure some were prettier than others but smoking them was identical. I once made pipes as well and found no difference from smoking the widely available blocks online and those from Mimmo. It's a bit like eating mashed potatoes from a plate and a bowl and trying to find a difference.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
A pipe with poor quality briar never smoked well for me. They had hot spots and sour tastes that never seemed to be able to be removed. Over 40 years I've had several of these pipes - these were relegated to the trash.

Quality craftsmanship often is an indicator of a pipe that is well drilled. I agree that a well drilled pipe will smoke well, whether it is a high end or a low-end pipe. My first Dunhill, much to my surprise - this was in the early 90s, never smoked better than any of my other much cheaper pipes. But it didn't smoke poorly. It was a brand new 1984 model.

That said, there is nothing about smoking a corn cob that is unsophisticated or makes one look like a hillbilly - as if that would be a disparaging look. Ben Franklin would have absolutely smoked a corn cob if he had one to smoke. It would have gone well with his coon skin cap.

My two cents, nothing else.