Charatan's Make ROSEDALE Estate Tobacco Pipe, WOULD BE MINT BUT-

[towhee89]

That’s the mint condition but—-

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But that London England made pipe does look kind of minty to me otherwise.

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I sure hope this wuddent one of them there Tragic Romance type situations

Stonewall Jackson Great Old Songs LP version

Some beautiful young maiden might have gifted a Charatan’s Make ROSEDALE to her intended and then the foolish, ignorant, stupid dumb son of a chatelaine refused to smoke a pipe with a tiny crack.

I’ll bet she didn’t pine away the hours waiting for his eventual return, you know?

Its strange. That shank looks unusually sturdy. Wonder if the prior owner codger'ed it being rough.

My Yello Bole is rusticated on the shank and bowl, and it felt super flimsy, only a couple smokes I noticed a hairline. I could expect that from the flimsy carved Briar but yours looks like it'd be tough.

I'm gonna keep smoking that leaky cracked Super Briar I showed you though

 

[Briar Lee]

Its strange. That shank looks unusually sturdy. Wonder if the prior owner codger'ed it being rough.

My Yello Bole is rusticated on the shank and bowl, and it felt super flimsy, only a couple smokes I noticed a hairline. I could expect that from the flimsy carved Briar but yours looks like it'd be tough.

I'm gonna keep smoking that leaky cracked Super Briar I showed you though

I was just a sottin here a wonderin why that Charatan would name a London England made pipe a ROSEDALE plus number it!



That PK Pipes seller feller has 3.400 happy pipe customers and he didn’t say Lane Era Charatan.

The descriptor is:

Charatan's Make ROSEDALE Estate Tobacco Pipe, WOULD BE MINT BUT

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Rosedale, North Yorkshire - Wikipedia

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Whenever I read about ancient priories and monasteries and abbeys and missions I can still hear Ma and Pa Agee get all their family together and they’d have me lead on South of the Border!

George Strait version

What if about the time of the dedication of Class II preservation status and other celebrations of ROSEDALE Priory in 1953 the old man who owned Charatan’s Make had a run of 100 or so ROSEDALE pipes made for the celebration?

Rosedale Priory - Wikipedia

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Looks exactly what a Cistercian Monk would use, don’t it?

THREE WOODEN CROSSES

This $41 ROSEDALE might become a valued token in playing and singing on Friday afternoons at all the jam sessions.

But only if PK Pioes did not mislead me.

If he did, I’ll be extremely disappointed.

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In mid-August, Rosedale Show is held at Rosedale Abbey and attracts some 5,000 people from all parts of Britain. The show dates back to 1871 and is one of the oldest in North Yorkshire.[

 

[towhee89]

I was just a sottin here a wonderin why that Charatan would name a London England made pipe a ROSEDALE plus number it!

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That PK Pipes seller feller has 3.400 happy pipe customers and he didn’t say Lane Era Charatan.

You always gotta deep dive for bad listings. Even pipe dealers have stuff with worn stampings and don't list the maker, that's super easy to tell if you know your pipes

Sorta like we know what Bench Made means.....

 

[telescopes]

I'll go on record - This isn't any type of Charatan's Make. The markings and the workmanship are all wrong. But I understand that @Briar Lee won't accept that answer.

Someone off loaded a broken pipe - but in the interest of doubling down on wrong headed thinking, here is what Steven Bratzinski has to say about it.

According to Steve, Charatan's Make experimented with a new line of pipes in the early 70s that they called Rosedale. The pipe line was turned over to Raymond Chamberlain who made several hundred prototypes. The line never took off and most of the prototypes were destroyed or either rebranded. Raymond only worked for the company for a few years and later went on to make pipes for Chacom in France.

If what Steven Bratzinski says is true, then you have yourself a truly unique pipe and one with a good story to go with it. Steven should know. For years he was a resident of Amberside where he was part owner of the Drunken Duck Inn in the Lake District of Cumbria. It was there that he made acquaintance with long time customer, Bob, the very man responsible for putting the sauce on Ennerdale, until he was fired by Rachel. This means your pipe not only has a unique history, but in someways it is born out of very embers and ashes of why Gawith and Hoggarth are no longer making tobacco with large quantities of sauce. Instead of saucing the tobacco as he should, Bob got his sauce at the local pub and we all know how that ended.

So now you know. LOL.

 

[Briar Lee]

According to Steve, Charatan's Make experimented with a new line of pipes in the early 70s that they called Rosedale. The pipe line was turned over to Raymond Chamberlain who made several hundred prototypes. The line never took off and most of the prototypes were destroyed or either rebranded. Raymond only worked for the company for a few years and later went on to make pipes for Chacom in France.

Xxxx

One of my fondest and most cherished memories of my wife and I when we were young, was her friend Michelle and her, played the Carter sisters behind me while I sat on a stool in front of the Main Street Baptist Church and sang this song to a packed house, with Michelle’s mother on the piano, in October 2002.

I SAW A MAN - Johnny Cash version

Her friend kept time using a drumstick on the podium, and my Taunia played the tambourine.

Thanks to you Professor, I can cite proof my ROSEDALE was a Lane Era Charatan’s Make prototype that some thought all copies were destroyed or rebranded, about when Michelle and Taunia were born, or tiny little girls.

The crowd lingered and demanded an encore but the girls hadn’t rehearsed anything but I Saw A Man.

So in that sanctuary I performed Tommy’s Doll and spread a little of the Gospel according to ET around that Sunday morning, and Michelle’s mother never missed a note on that piano.

Michelle’s little boy owns about half of Clarksburg Missouri today.

He got wealthy making videos of race cars, of all things.

He always was a prodigy of recording sacred events.

But was it Raymond Chamberlin who made this CP Trafalgar 348 at Chacom for Charatan, with a double comfort bit?




It’s quite a fall from grace, for an Englishman to earn a Commision from Charatan’s Make in London England to make pipes named after ROSEDALE to wind up in France making a quasi counterfeit named TRAFALGAR for the same former employer, you know?

 

[ssjones]

I'm still a little surprised you paid $40 for a pipe that disclosed the crack.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

That stem is pretty bad...

Is it supposed to be discolored like that or is that some kind of grease and grime on it?

It's right up there with the ugliest assed pipes I've ever seen.

 

[sablebrush52]

Let me be the first to congratulate you on your guaranteed genuine mint Charatan made Rosedale. This is the first Rosedale I've seen that is totally mint, totally guaranteed genuine, and hasn't been "repaired" by some ignorant pissant.

That crack? Totally intentional and original to the pipe. That's absolutely the correct stem. It's not supposed to fit. That would be unoriginal, and the genuine guaranteed mint Charatan made Rosedale is anything but unoriginal!

This here pipe by Paul Tatum is the spiritual descendant of the guaranteed genuine mint Charatan Made Rosedale.

So leave that guaranteed genuine mint crack and "replacement" stem alone. They're not flaws, they're features, as is the mottled banged up finish! I guarantee!

 

[jguss]

Since the OP is obviously interested in Charatan seconds I have an assortment that I’d let go cheap. Most are one-of-a-kind specimens of Reuben Era pipes at their finest. The ones I’m willing to sell include a Rose Marie, a Rose Kennedy, a Rosie O’Donnell, and a Rosie Grier. If you buy them as a lot I also have a Lane Era Axl Rose I’d throw in.

I’m only willing to let you have them because a) you’re a serious collector and these pipes deserve a good home, and b) given the model names I can’t bring myself to put any of them into my mouth.

It’s true that none have cracked shanks but I’ll send them to George first and he’ll expertly fracture each one for you.

 

[Briar Lee]

When my friend David and I last played the nursing homes my sideman David would scold me not to smoke my ten dollar Kaywoodie Flame Grain until we almost wore out that act.

Then the nursing homes were full of folks who grew up during Laurel and Hardy but by now the Rat Pack generation ought to be there in their wheelchairs.

Everybody’s Somebody’s Fool - Loretta Lynn version

Who’s Sorry Now 1951 Dean Martin version

David has gone home to his family nearly ten years ago and there’s a brand new crop of folks in wheelchairs waiting to be entertained over the noon meals in the nursing homes, and today—-I’m a card carrying Medicare Advantage holder—-

Which Medicare Advantage do you have there, Van?

Well, let’s see, I need the bottom of my trifocals

Here let me try to read it, Van

It says United Healthcare, you have the same card as Luigi !!!

Maybe it might buy a Hundred Dollar Funeral , then?

Pretty Miss Norma Jean Version

Today, the hundred dollar Charatan generation is in the nursing homes and I need to practice up at the Friday jam sessions and find another old man about my age as my side man.

And in spite of my humble Bug Tussle roots I’m not exactly a poor man, today.

You don’t look poor sitting there in your thousand dollar suit, Van

The wife and me are retired and living on a fixed income and she gives me an allowance for my pipes

How much is your allowance?


A Hunnert Dollars!




I kinda need to go smoke my Forty One Dollar ROSEDALE !

How many pipes do you have in those suit pockets?

Well I have a Forty Dollar Bertram, and a Sixty Dollar Bertram!

That’s about your whole allowance isn’t it?

Until my Social Security check comes in, maybe!

Whose counting?

If Taunia finds out she might give you

Heartaches by the Number!

Ready?

BR5-49 Version!

Next month they should have the Friday jam sessions at the local park, and the nursing homes bring the old folks to the sunshine on Fridays.

And I just LOVE the local jam session rules!

1. Every Friday at one, inside a local business if it’s hot or cold or in the park in nice weather.

2. All songs have to be Grand Ole Opry sing alongs.

(No long haired hippy type songs)

3. Only one microphone for the lead singer.

4. All musical instruments strictly aucoustic

5. Since they take turns singing lead, and I only play chords, I get to smoke my pipes and thank the crowd personally for forty one years of good living as a lawyer.

(I’m getting in a geniune Charatan’s Make super high dollar hoity toity City of London briar pipe I only had to give one dollar a year as my retirement present to myself, it’s a ROSEDALE. Ain’t much to look at, is it?)

And always, in a Continental Suit

 

[Briar Lee]

Since the OP is obviously interested in Charatan seconds I have an assortment that I’d let go cheap. Most are one-of-a-kind specimens of Reuben Era pipes at their finest. The ones I’m willing to sell include a Rose Marie, a Rose Kennedy, a Rosie O’Donnell, and a Rosie Grier. If you buy them as a lot I also have a Lane Era Axl Rose I’d throw in.

I’m only willing to let you have them because a) you’re a serious collector and these pipes deserve a good home, and b) given the model names I can’t bring myself to put any of them into my mouth.

It’s true that none have cracked shanks but I’ll send them to George first and he’ll expertly fracture each one for you.

You know, from the day I was born in the Humansville Missouri hospital until today, I’ve not ever been truly poor one single day.

And I can also honestly say that from my cradle my family only asked me where I wanted to go on to school after Humansville and never if I wanted to go on to school.

And I’m so grateful for all the gifts somebody else gave me growing up a half mile South of the exact same Bug Tussle the Beverly Hillbillies came from.

Mayor of Bug Tussle episode

The actual real life Mayor of Bug Tussle Missouri was Emmett G. Molder

Emmett G. Molder (1901-1988) - Find a Grave...

www.findagrave.com

I am the literary executor of Myrtle Cahow (Ma) Agee and in Hermitage Missouri they are having an Earth Day Festival on April 25 headlined by Sierra Hull in Jordan Park in Springfield.




Now I never learned much Bach growing up.

But I can sing every bar and line of “Closer Walk With Three” in lots of keys and harmonies.

Those folks down there celebrating Earth Day 2025 might feel a bit downhearted and despondent this year.

Maybe they need some cheering up, you know?

Not a lawyer in a thousand dollar suit and a cracked ROSEDALE, no way.

I prefer to be Ma Agee’s Grandson with his Forty Dollar Tim Laird in Hermitage, or parts close thereabouts.




I got the same nose, you know?



But I’m sure to request Ma Agee’s favorite song, every time I’m there.

Deportees Arlo Live at Farm Aid version

Thanks to those who very carefully raised me up and loved me unconditionally and taught me how to judge between right and wrong, I’m ready now that I’m living on my retirement income to pass a little bit forward, you know?

 

[towhee89]

You know, from the day I was born in the Humansville Missouri hospital until today, I’ve not ever been truly poor one single day.

And I can also honestly say that from my cradle my family only asked me where I wanted to go on to school after Humansville and never if I wanted to go on to school.

And I’m so grateful for all the gifts somebody else gave me growing up a half mile South of the exact same Bug Tussle the Beverly Hillbillies came from.

Mayor of Bug Tussle episode

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The actual real life Mayor of Bug Tussle Missouri was Emmett G. Molder

Emmett G. Molder (1901-1988) - Find a Grave...

www.findagrave.com

I am the literary executor of Myrtle Cahow (Ma) Agee and in Hermitage Missouri they are having an Earth Day Festival on April 25 headlined by Sierra Hull in Jordan Park in Springfield.

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Now I never learned much Bach growing up.

But I can sing every bar and line of “Closer Walk With Three” in lots of keys and harmonies.

Those folks down there celebrating Earth Day 2025 might feel a bit downhearted and despondent this year.

Maybe they need some cheering up, you know?

Not a lawyer in a thousand dollar suit and a cracked ROSEDALE, no way.

I prefer to be Ma Agee’s Grandson with his Forty Dollar Tim Laird in Hermitage, or parts close thereabouts.

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I got the same nose, you know?

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But I’m sure to request Ma Agee’s favorite song, every time I’m there.

Deportees Arlo Live at Farm Aid version

Thanks to those who very carefully raised me up and loved me unconditionally and taught me how to judge between right and wrong, I’m ready now that I’m living on my retirement income to pass a little bit forward, you know?

Is that book hard to find

 

[telescopes]

You know, from the day I was born in the Humansville Missouri hospital until today, I’ve not ever been truly poor one single day.

And I can also honestly say that from my cradle my family only asked me where I wanted to go on to school after Humansville and never if I wanted to go on to school.

And I’m so grateful for all the gifts somebody else gave me growing up a half mile South of the exact same Bug Tussle the Beverly Hillbillies came from.

Mayor of Bug Tussle episode

View attachment 380311

The actual real life Mayor of Bug Tussle Missouri was Emmett G. Molder

Emmett G. Molder (1901-1988) - Find a Grave...

www.findagrave.com

I am the literary executor of Myrtle Cahow (Ma) Agee and in Hermitage Missouri they are having an Earth Day Festival on April 25 headlined by Sierra Hull in Jordan Park in Springfield.

View attachment 380312


Now I never learned much Bach growing up.

But I can sing every bar and line of “Closer Walk With Three” in lots of keys and harmonies.

Those folks down there celebrating Earth Day 2025 might feel a bit downhearted and despondent this year.

Maybe they need some cheering up, you know?

Not a lawyer in a thousand dollar suit and a cracked ROSEDALE, no way.

I prefer to be Ma Agee’s Grandson with his Forty Dollar Tim Laird in Hermitage, or parts close thereabouts.

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I got the same nose, you know?

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But I’m sure to request Ma Agee’s favorite song, every time I’m there.

Deportees Arlo Live at Farm Aid version

Thanks to those who very carefully raised me up and loved me unconditionally and taught me how to judge between right and wrong, I’m ready now that I’m living on my retirement income to pass a little bit forward, you know?

And yet not a one of them taught you about the differences between good and bad pipes.

 

[Briar Lee]

Is that book hard to find

I’m extremely proud to brag that bootleg counterfeit copies of Ma Agee’s Remunishuns outnumber any of the several genuine editions printed in Hermitage by The Index by a large margin!

My cousin Pammy and some of her children and me can instantly tell you if your copy of Remunishuns is bootleg or genuine and we will sign either one, if you request us.

It was in 1963 a $2 tourist book ($20 today) and I think by the last edition in 1979 it was $5 ($19.50 today) and by then the counterfeits were thick as fleas on Pa’s white mule she and Pa soujorned down to Arkansas for their honeymoon, her leading Pa jest a daydreaming about their blissful future.

She earned a lot of extra retirement money and we got to be the grandchildren who drove her around to all the fairs and carnivals in God’s Own Ozarks.

And since angels carried Ma Agee away to the Heavenly realms where all must go and never return in 1980 our family is strict to her command, that we only use Remunishuns for righteous purposes.

Copies are cheap.

Authentication by the Heirs of Ma Agee is always free and always will be.

Because we all want Stars in Our Crowns.

 

[towhee89]

I’m extremely proud to brag that bootleg counterfeit copies of Ma Agee’s Remunishuns outnumber any of the several genuine editions printed in Hermitage by The Index by a large margin!

My cousin Pammy and some of her children and me can instantly tell you if your copy of Remunishuns is bootleg or genuine and we will sign either one, if you request us.

It was in 1963 a $2 tourist book ($20 today) and I think by the last edition in 1979 it was $5 ($19.50 today) and by then the counterfeits were thick as fleas on Pa’s white mule she and Pa soujorned down to Arkansas for their honeymoon, her leading Pa jest a daydreaming about their blissful future.

She earned a lot of extra retirement money and we got to be the grandchildren who drove her around to all the fairs and carnivals in God’s Own Ozarks.

And since angels carried Ma Agee away to the Heavenly realms where all must go and never return in 1980 our family is strict to her command, that we only use Remunishuns for righteous purposes.

Copies are cheap.

Authentication by the Heirs of Ma Agee is always free and always will be.

Because we all want Stars in Our Crowns.

Where can I get one a quick Google search didn't turn up anything

 

[Briar Lee]

And yet not a one of them taught you about the differences between good and bad pipes.

Alas, it’s true.

Pa Agee had a motley collection of cheap pipes and Ma occasionally smoked a cob and that left me on my own, with some help from my friends, to keep from a gettin’ skint in my pipe tradin.

Lookie here.

I paid sixty good dollars for this 70S Bertram, but the worker toiling away in the shadow of the Capitol Complex double stamped it.



And even though I cleaned it all up with 190 proof the dad blasted thing turned all oxblood color again in jest one smoke!


It’s not like my same size Ted Laird that stays brown.


I didn’t get no Grand Tour of the Continent but my mother (Saydee in the series) bought a brand new 1977 Olds Cutlass with the geniune Rocket 350 Four Barrel and Rocket wheels in the middle of July 1977 with a $6,400 window sticker for $5,800 and traded her 1973 Chevy Caprice, and paid $3,000 cash difference.

And Ma Agee wrote up our tour of the Eastern states and the South in The Index.and the scariest part of all of it was trying to get to visit Washington DC.

We had to stay 30 miles away and it cost us the outrageous sum of $75 for one night and we took a tour bus into the Capitol.

If I’d only known about Bertram’s, I could have just walked in.

Maybe this was a $7 Second 70S Double Stamped Bertram in 1977?



We went on to Colonial Williamsburg and Billy Carter’s gas station and saw the Battleship Alabama then into New Whore Leans where we saw shows on Bourbon Street and going back through Mississippi the sun made the new window seals get tacky as we drove the same route as the City of New Orleans,,,I-55,,,.to Vaughan.


Casey Jones- Johnny Cash version

He died that others might live, you know?

This must be a $7 Bertram 70S Double Stamped Second, because I’m getting hiccups from Lane BCA.

This old pipe is outrageously strong tastin’