Cellaring - How Long Will It Keep?

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okiematt

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Mar 28, 2019
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Hello all. In light of recent news in the tobacco world, I’ve begun building inventory of my favorite Peterson blend. I only smoke about 1 bowl a week and have about 8 years of inventory based on that rate. All in round tins. My question is, how many years can tobacco keep in round tins in a dark & temp controlled area? If I could, I’d build 20 years of stock.

I have looked through the various posts on this subject. But the answer is still alluding me.
 
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sablebrush52

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Cutter tops were the bomb. Blends could keep for decades in those. Round screw down tins are not as robust, but about the best we have these days, and those can last a few decades though some will fail. Square and rectangular tins start getting iffy within a decade. Some hold their seal for much longer and others will have failed long before that milestone is reached. Sealed jars are a time honored method for long term storage, though some will fail, and Mylar bagging is becoming more widely recognized as a fully acceptable alternative.

Climate and temperature play a role, though not as much as people think. I've jarred contents from a bulk purchase into a number of jars at the same time, sealed them at the same time, and stored them next to each other for a decade, and had the contents age differently from one jar to another.

As your tobaccos age, they will change, more or less. Maybe that change will be an improvement for you, maybe not. Latakia may start to lose strength after a few years, though I've had vibrant Latakia that was 30 + years old. It's all unpredictable. That's also part of the reality of cellaring.

In short, cellaring is a bit of a crap shoot, but there's no alternative if you want to have stock of your favorite blends available to you when you want them.
 

okiematt

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Mar 28, 2019
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Oklahoma
At that rate, I'd think you were on the verge of quitting. I'm curious, what Petersons blend is your favorite, the one you are cellaring?
As an ex smoker, most of my nicotine comes from gum these days. Typically I’m smoking my pipe with a glass of bourbon or cup of coffee which is more of a weekend event for me. If I were retired, I’m sure I would smoke nearly every day.

Royal Yacht is my favorite.
 

Terry Lennox

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The round flat tins are pretty well secured. I have never had one fail in 20 years of cellaring. It does happen, so I consider myself lucky. But one thing to consider is type of blend. Virginias and Virginia based blends age well. They can get darker and richer over many years (although there is a limit when the returns diminish and I have had tins of Va turn a bit odd and medicinal). English blends with Latakia do not necessarily improve. Some of the power of the Latakia smokiness diminishes over time. That may be good depending on your taste.
 

Hutch Piper

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Mar 12, 2022
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I think you’ll be fine cellaring them in the Peterson tins assuming your conditions are good - not too hot and not too cold. Preferably a dark place like a cabinet or closet. Excess sunlight can create moisture.

One thing to keep in mind is there was a source that shared Peterson blends may be on the chopping block come 2028. Not certain of the veracity or what will actually happen. All that is to say if that is your known go to and you do not foresee it changing, stock up now. Won’t ever be cheaper or in more supply.
 

Zamora

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Mar 15, 2023
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Cutter tops were the bomb. Blends could keep for decades in those. Round screw down tins are not as robust, but about the best we have these days, and those can last a few decades though some will fail. Square and rectangular tins start getting iffy within a decade. Some hold their seal for much longer and others will have failed long before that milestone is reached. Sealed jars are a time honored method for long term storage, though some will fail, and Mylar bagging is becoming more widely recognized as a fully acceptable alternative.

Climate and temperature play a role, though not as much as people think. I've jarred contents from a bulk purchase into a number of jars at the same time, sealed them at the same time, and stored them next to each other for a decade, and had the contents age differently from one jar to another.

As your tobaccos age, they will change, more or less. Maybe that change will be an improvement for you, maybe not. Latakia may start to lose strength after a few years, though I've had vibrant Latakia that was 30 + years old. It's all unpredictable. That's also part of the reality of cellaring.

In short, cellaring is a bit of a crap shoot, but there's no alternative if you want to have stock of your favorite blends available to you when you want them.
I've seen a lot of people say that burley doesn't really change with age, have you experienced any exceptions?
 

sablebrush52

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I've seen a lot of people say that burley doesn't really change with age, have you experienced any exceptions?
It may get a little nuttier in flavor as time goes by. The oldest blend I've ever smoked was about 100 years old. The only recognizable flavor in what was otherwise a pile of zombie vomit was the burley.
 

Zamora

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Mar 15, 2023
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It may get a little nuttier in flavor as time goes by. The oldest blend I've ever smoked was about 100 years old. The only recognizable flavor in what was otherwise a pile of zombie vomit was the burley.
Do you remember what blend that was? I know people have smoked straight burleys from WW2ish that were still good. More nuttiness is definitely something I'd appreciate