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rodo

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May 1, 2014
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Okay, decided it is time to open the Stonehaven I've had in the cellar for nearly two years...in the foil. Bought my wee jars, washed them clean, and now...how does one put flake in the jars? So I did it like the picture. Any reason this won't work?

 

cortezattic

Lifer
Nov 19, 2009
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There's nothing wrong in doing it the way you did. Personally I'd add more flakes in the jar -- even if I had to coil them up tightly.

 

fitzy

Lifer
Nov 13, 2012
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Like Cortez I would also fill those jars up a LOT more. The flakes in the 6 jars in the picture I could probably fit into 2 jars.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
You want as little oxygen in the jar as possible. You can cut them to fit tight vertically, or mash them together, or coil, or even rub out before re-jarring.
Good question!

 

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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You want as little oxygen in the jar as possible.
Curious why you say so. Tobacco is a dead organic material that ferments with or without oxygen. By hurrying the oxygen depletion, all you're doing is hurrying the onset of anaerobic fermentation. No one has come foreword with any data supporting one mode of fermentation over the other, especially regarding taste.

 

rodo

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 1, 2014
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Central Arkansas
Hold on you two! I've now got some jars stuffed, some as in the photo. We'll see how it plays out a year from now. Thanks for the advice and suggestions.

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
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Rodo, if you look back through the archives here, you will see that this subject has been discussed ad nauseum. While I've yet to see a well designed research project on the matter, peer reviewed and published in a well respected journal of tobacco research, anecdotal evidence leads to a few semi-reliable conclusions: By the time that pipe tobacco is fully processed, it has spent a lot of time in aerobic conditions. Further exposure to a well-oxygenated environment doesn't do much to improve flavor characteristics, and in time will degrade the product. Anaerobic conditions post manufacturing will at worst help preserve the product and in most cases will improve it, especially if the tobacco has a higher sugar content.
To that end, it's generally considered best practice to pack jars for cellaring as tightly as possible. I would go as far as to say that it would be best to flush the jars with CO2 before sealing.
Your Stonehaven was already sealed and probably in a low oxygen condition. It would be best to continue in that direction. It's one of the reasons that I usually don't jar Esoterica products for cellaring. I'll just double-bag them in heat-sealed Mylar.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Thank you! Not only better said than I could have, but from a more knowledgeable source. ( I know, I know, hard to believe!) :)
I believe Greg Pease has written to the above, but I just don't have the effort to day to try to find his writings on the subject. And as Dan points out, precious little, if any, real data available. (And the end result would be a matter of opinion: one guy would prefer the five year aerobic aging of a blend, and another the five year anaerobic aged blend. And then another guy would pipe up and say it's better at three years; another it's better fresh, and so on.)

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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Food in the refrigerator or freezer keeps better with less air in the container. I don't know if that applies to tobacco or not, but you certainly save space and money for jars if you pack tighter. I don't see an advantage in packing so few flakes per jar. But I'd certainly be willing to hear, if there's an advantage.

 

glassjapan

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Feb 11, 2017
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When I'm jarring flakes I normally only put 2oz in at a time. When I open a jar it might be months or longer before I finally empty it. I'd rather they keep aging along rather than being opened up from time to time.

 

mrbaho

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Sep 11, 2015
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I cut the flakes in half and then stack them in the jars vertically. It makes them easier to remove from the jar.

 
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