Carl Jung and The Importance of Pipe Smoking
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Certainly.No, wait, more bed of nails...we haven't arrived at the argo, art gothic, agotique, argot, and archtectonic, the facade, the thing that stands for something else only hinted at-- the phonetic cabala of words!! Ligion sounds like Legion-- many, a group, we've previously covered re, to do again re-member as opposed to dismember. Re-group... It's mind boggling what people can parse together out of crumbs. Religion is the chemical coniunctio not the Alchemical Coniunctio! The materialist's premature version of re-unification, a penny side show perhaps? Sorry, that may have hurt me more than you, but someone had to say it
Jung's greatest contribution to the world was his inspiring of the Village People to write Y.M.C.A, Almost half the lines in the song are about him, here is the first line:
Jung man, there's no need to feel down
Jung man, there's no need to feel down
I just fell down the rabbit-hole of this thread whilst searching around the web for information about whether Carl Jung named his pipes as well as his grandfather's tobacco-jar. This was prompted by Poo-Bah's naming a pipe of his 'Emina'. And whether all pipes are considered as feminine (which they are, in the three languages I speak where things have gender). (Mrs Badger has a Freudian explanation for that).
Fascinating, gentlemen, and thank you. I've learned quite a bit from it. I am now processing that interview video with Dr. Jung. I may have something to contribute later.
Fascinating, gentlemen, and thank you. I've learned quite a bit from it. I am now processing that interview video with Dr. Jung. I may have something to contribute later.
Jung maintained that one’s personality is inherited, which may explain why many of us claim to smoke a pipe because our grandfather, or father, or favorite uncle did. That assumes of course that smoking a pipe is indeed part of one’s personality. I think is is.
Jung naming his pot Habakkuk reminds me of the story of Habakkuk carrying his bowl to Daniel in the lion's den.
Daniel 14:
33. Now the prophet Hab′akkuk was in Judea. He had boiled pottage and had broken bread into a bowl, and was going into the field to take it to the reapers
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37. Then Hab′akkuk shouted, “Daniel, Daniel! Take the dinner which God has sent you.”
RSVCE translation
Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 14 - Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Daniel and the Priests of Bel - When King Asty′ages was laid with his fathers, Cyrus the Persian received his kingdom. And Daniel was a companion of the king, and was the most honored of his friends. Now the Babylonians had an idol called Bel, and every day they spent on it twelve bushels of...www.biblegateway.com
Here's an icon with Habakkuk carrying his bowl to Daniel:
There are actually two tellings of this story in Greek, with the prohpet's Greek name put as Hambakoum. Here is the Old Greek version from the NETS translation:
How is personality to be defined? Etymologically the word implies social presentation, or that part of us that manifests socially, whether or not we are conscious of it in all its manifested aspects; yet the word seems commonly to be understood as individuality, as 'person' in law. I'll go with the first.
Recent genomic research has confirmed that certain behavioural patterns are programmed into an individual's DNA, whether it is the specialised knowledge of nest-building in birds, or the odd quirky habit of a human: for example, my niece Lizzie had a habit in early childhood of moistening a finger to pick up all the crumbs off her plate. Her great-grandmother, my grandmother, whom she never met, did the same. No one else in the family does.
Pipe smoking does seem to me to fall into that category: my father smoked a pipe (his father did not, though his maternal grandfather may have done), and I took to a pipe easily; but - judging from the many basic beginner questions one sees in the forum - many don't, even, sometimes, when it is made known that their sires and/or grandsires were pipe smokers.
I would not be at all surprised if there were pipe smoking genomes, which some inherit, and some don't. There may also be genomes which cause a person to *want* to smoke a pipe, which they inherit unaccompanied by the genome(s) of pipe-smoking praxis. Praxis, of course, can also be attributable to nurture (emulation of parental or grandparental behaviour), rather than nature (genomic heredity).
This would all make coherent sense within Jung's frame of reference, though I don't find it completely satisfactory: what about the existence of the archetype with a pipe in his mouth, a universal denizen of the collecrtive unconscious, that astral reservoir of aggregated human experience, into which any individual human can tap, or into whom, some aspect can find its way, like lightning, because in his other properties he is a conductor?
PS: Possible pipe-smoking quasi-archetypes: 1) Sir Walter Raleigh; 2) Ho-dar-da-se-do-gas, the pipe-smoking hero of Iroquois legend; 3) Jan Van Hunks, the Cape Dutch pirate who is responsible for the permanent cloud over Table Mountain... I'm sure there are more. Maybe Jung himself is on the way to becoming one?
The idea of personality being inherited was very popular in the day and especially in Europe. Its a concept that has to be well tempered and carefully qualified. Otherwise, it can (and did) become twisted into some of the ugliest events of the 20th century. An intersting concept in the hands of tyrants or the masses can become deadly.
Maybe its just a natural reaction to all the stress caused by the stupidity, corruption and violence of the world; a desire for a simpler time of love, protection and comfort, which would explain the popularity of the P-Lip stem !
No pipe smokers in my family at least as far back as 4 generations. Addiction can be part of one's personality, so pipe smoking could one way to express that trait.
I read as much of this thread as I could, but my masochism doesn't extend to navel gazing in excelsis. Did enough of that in the '70's, generally with a female whose navel was worth gazing at. Nothing pseudo about it.
I'll second that. As long as people are enjoying themselves, great, but as someone who has read and enjoyed/learned from a good portion of Jung's work, I've learned that it's difficult to discuss Jung in a forum like this. People pop in, admit they know little or nothing about the subject, then tell you he's nuts and his work is b.s. I guess that's fine as long as it's civil.
As far as the book 'Catafalque', I plan to pick up a copy. The reviews make me skeptical, but I've read the 'Red Book' and anything that gives me more insight into it is worth at least taking a look at.
I recently picked up this shirt and always get a few smiles when I wear it in public:
Y’all are scrambling my brain for breakfast, I’ll stick to eggs. I think I’ll listen to two different songs called “simple man” to reset haha.
It's a hallmark characteristic of populist demagogues that they can take anything and twist it out of shape. I can't think of any new horizon achieved in human understanding, that the buggers haven't messed with and misrepresented, from the teachings of Zarathushtra onwards. The fact that in doing so they have soiled the endeavours of those whose only wish was to advance human understanding, should not prevent our studying them.
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Until now I have smoked 1 pipe with water condensation on beginning work in the morning, a miniature cigar after lunch, equal to 1-2 cigarettes, another pipe
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The amazing name Habakkuk: meaning and etymology
An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name Habakkuk. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names Habakkuk is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.
Perhaps meaning to embrace the 'Royal herb' or 'King's Herb' not dissimilar to Tolkien's Athelas or Kingsfoil in the LOTR - a healing herb of the King; both fragrant with healing properties that repel pests.
I like it. After reading ‘the Red Book’ and the Black Books (pure Jung thoughts with no sterilization), I wouldn’t be surprised if the name didn’t just come to him in a dream.
This^ as far as I'm concerned.
One of the greatest insights I'd ever heard was in my "Drugs, Alcohol, & Society" elective I took in college where we had a group of AA members talk to us about their experiences.
One of the members said something to the effect of "I always had an issue in the beginning with the idea of Jesus until I was reminded the steps do not mention him.. they mention the Higher Power. I'd finally realized that whatever I'd thought about 'God' was irrelevant... for the point I needed to understand was there will always be a power higher than myself. Right now, you all here (motioning to us, the class) are my higher power. You are a collection of individuals that is greater than myself. Right now in this moment I give myself to you."
I cannot get my head around the God I was taught about in my Catholic school but I certainly can understand what that man was saying and how surrendering yourself to it puts your life into perspective (a state of grace?) that other philosophies cannot.
The funny part too is that if you actually research the church of Satan, they follow the exact inverse of this practical ideology. They don't actually teach to worship a baby-eating blood-drinking demon who lives in a furnace. They teach you to worship yourself... that your individual ego and fleeting desires should be held above all else.
Along with the psychological proof we have that anxiety and depression are actually directly correlated with how often one obsesses over their own idea of themselves and their feelings, whereas those whom tend to report happier contented lives are those who think and do for others more often than themselves.... I think we can see that we make our own heavens and hells, angels and demons, right here for everyone to witness; without even having to concern ourselves with the supernatural/afterlife.
Afaic, God is everything. And God is truth. And everything is truly greater than just me. Therefore I (try everyday to) forfeit my vanity of control over reality to the awe and greatness at the expanse of it.. and doing what I can for the others that make it up as I am able... and living as truthfully to reality as possible. Therefore I believe in and worship "God" as best I can through my manner of living. The end.
Perhaps the “Higher power” is your self. It’s always there, just disguised/hidden by the person.
Before I read this, I was going to reply, in broad agreement with NookersTheCat, that there is such a thing as the Microcosm, a spark, as it were, of the creative divine fire, generated in the likeness of the Ultimate Power. The besetting human problem, it seems to me, lies in the conflation of the ego with the self.
Erm... this is Philosophy, not Religion, so it's OK with the mods, right?
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Well, the entire thread is based on pipe-smoking, so it should be cool.