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Servant King

Lifer
Nov 27, 2020
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Frazier Park, CA
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Frequently? Fascinating! What percent of controlled burns turned into wildfires in the last ten years or so? Do they build the usual breaks before igniting the fire? Are fire fighters standing by? Who is doing the monitoring of the burns?

I read of a least least two big CA fires in the last few years were started by arsonists. One was up by San Simeon if I remember correctly. True or, is the media screwing with us?

Your government blames climate change. Someone started a fire with a gender reveal party. A flat tire,k sparks from the rim started another fire. I'm guessing the lack of rain the last few years added to the tinder laying on forest floors.
All good questions! Unfortunately, we'll never know the answers.

Screwing with us? Isn't that just a dismissive way of saying "lying?" Perish the thought! :ROFLMAO:

Public servants, though they may have collectively taken on a life of their own, are not the government. The people are. And yes, the "climate change" narrative (their version, not the real one) is their highly cherished brainchild.

Lack of rain? There hasn't been a lack of rain in CA since 2014. But you wouldn't know that unless you lived here and could observe the weather here with your own senses. Those rain maps really do come in handy too!
 
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warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,254
18,148
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Public servants are not the government. The people are.
No ... those being paid by the taxpayers are traditionally referred to a "public servants." Cops, firefighters, military, elected politicians and so forth. We who provide them employment simply do not require much from the elected officials or, the city clerks, magistrates, road workers, planners, and so forth. The vast majority of enfranchised Americans do not vote, at any level. So, we, the voters, choose not to exercise control over our employees. Life is much easier for many if they don't get involved. We let the fox, those we hire to run things, control the hen house and simply hope to be left alone.
 
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Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
3,628
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Connecticut, USA
Air Quality alert got up to 347 in Medina County, Ohio today. Worst it's been since the fires started.

My wife works in downtown Cleveland, one block north of Lake Erie. She couldn't even see it.
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Our house is about 40 miles SW. I couldn't see the sun for most of the day.
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Wow ! I hope you are both wearing an N-95 mask or better. I read an AQI of 100 is unhealthy to hazourdous. We (CT) were at 107 at noon and climbing. You can't really see anything but clouds and a light haze but everything smells a bit like Arango Balkan Supreme and I'm getting a bit of sore throat when outside.
 

AJL67

Lifer
May 26, 2022
5,496
28,135
Florida - Space Coast
Just saw a talking head on the boobtube say that the Canadian wildfires are racist because they are affecting poor and minority communities "more than white conservative communities", they didn't explain how that worked, they just have to say what they are told I suppose.
 
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jpberg

Lifer
Aug 30, 2011
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I couldn't disagree more. Prescribed burns are a primitive, obsolete strategy, an archaic dinosaur of the same ilk as bloodletting with leaches, germ theory, and muzzle-loaders. Human interference, WAY more often than not, either makes an already preexisting problem worse, or creates one where one did not exist prior. The creation can take care of itself just fine, has for hundreds of thousands of years. I remember George Carlin had a few choice words to offer back in the early 90s about the arrogance of humans meddling with nature, attempting to control it, and how it backfires on us every time we try. Too true. It's always done wrong and in spirit of destruction. Different topic, yes (he was talking about saving endangered species, I believe), but the principle is the same. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of people taking responsibility for their own land, maintaining it, clearing the flammable vegetation (and ONLY that, not destroying every living thing in sight, like people in my area are wont to do). In fact, it's downright essential to do this. But this kind of individual responsibility seems to be looked upon unfavorably nowadays. When people rely on government entities to do everything, all too many times we end up with what happened in New Mexico last year (largest, most destructive fire in state history). If it turns out that the current ones were started this way too, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

That said, I pay pretty close attention to these countrywide rain maps (yes @TN Jed they are available on NOAA's site, although I would take most information of theirs regarding atmospheric "science" with a grain of salt...long story!), and once the monsoon kicks into a higher gear, I don't see much of the country being without rain, thereby moistening otherwise dry fuel. If it can't be lit, it can't burn, hardly a foreign concept to us pipe smokers, right?

I do hope everyone out that way gets through this time. Relief is on the way!
Pardon me for not following, but prescribed burns are bad because George Carlin said so?
 

Jaylotw

Lifer
Mar 13, 2020
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4,069
NE Ohio
It's been bad here in my corner of NE Ohio. I'm outside farming all day, doing some heavy work, and I've been hacking and coughing and out of breath. Visibility was less than a quarter mile yesterday. The air smells like burning plastic. Wearing an N95 helped, but it's also hot and sweating into one of those is just doubly miserable, so I've been off and on. AQI was like 300 something yesterday, a little less today. Phew. South wind is kicking up, though.
 
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woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,501
19,519
SE PA USA
Back when I was a newspaper photojournalist in New Jersey, I covered many controlled burns in The Pine Barrens. To my knowledge, none of those ever escaped their bounds. They were well planned and executed, involving a major deployment of resources intended to guarantee safety.

AFAIK, many of the California fires have been started by failed electricity distribution infrastructure. Much has been written about this, and lawsuits against PP&L and it’s government overseers are ongoing.
 
Jan 30, 2020
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New Jersey
Back when I was a newspaper photojournalist in New Jersey, I covered many controlled burns in The Pine Barrens. To my knowledge, none of those ever escaped their bounds. They were well planned and executed, involving a major deployment of resources intended to guarantee safety.

AFAIK, many of the California fires have been started by failed electricity distribution infrastructure. Much has been written about this, and lawsuits against PP&L and it’s government overseers are ongoing.
NJ is the most densely populated state in the country and is covered in something like 40%-50% forest. It is also one of the best, if not the best, wildland agency in the country for good reason.

I've supported them a few times on calls providing water and know a few on the part time payroll for my division. Pros, all day long.
 

Jaylotw

Lifer
Mar 13, 2020
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NE Ohio
Back when I was a newspaper photojournalist in New Jersey, I covered many controlled burns in The Pine Barrens. To my knowledge, none of those ever escaped their bounds. They were well planned and executed, involving a major deployment of resources intended to guarantee safety.

AFAIK, many of the California fires have been started by failed electricity distribution infrastructure. Much has been written about this, and lawsuits against PP&L and it’s government overseers are ongoing.
A friend of mine volunteers on controlled burns of grasslands around Ohio. If they aren't periodically burned, they'll revert to forest eventually which would be fine, except we need to preserve grasslands for habitat.

He's never been party to one that got out of control in almost 30 years of doing it.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,501
19,519
SE PA USA
NJ is the most densely populated state in the country and is covered in something like 40%-50% forest. It is also one of the best, if not the best, wildland agency in the country for good reason.

I've supported them a few times on calls providing water and know a few on the part time payroll for my division. Pros, all day long.
One of the most enjoyable assignments I had while working in The Garden State was spending a day with a ranger in the fire watch tower at Apple Pie Hill, Tabernacle, NJ. If smoke was spotted, they would radio the other towers and triangulate the fire location, then dispatch ground and air resources to investigate and extinguish. Several hours of wonderful silence, just the faint sound of wind in the pines, punctuated by a few minutes of intense radio chatter. The Pine Barrens are an extraordinary place.
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
Dec 3, 2021
3,628
18,342
Connecticut, USA
Humans Have Shifted Earth's Axis
No they haven't. The earth's axis shifts every 1000 years or so as the poles shift causing effects on the weather for 150 yrs before and after and we just happen to be in the middle of the second 150 yrs right now of the current shift. A couple of yrs ago the airlines had to reset their computers because magnetic north shifted 6 degrees and they didn't want to miss the runways.

I feel sorry for the wildlife that can't escape it.
The rabbits here haven't come out of their warren all day.