California Raised the Age Limit to 21

[davet]

Hell in a handbasket :roll:

 

[jpmcwjr]

Really? SF godforsaken??
It's one of the best cities in the world, certainly in the U.S.

 

[anthonyrosenthal74]

I just think it's pretty freaking screwed up that at 18 years of age, a man or woman is old enough to go and die for the freedoms of this country... but they can't have a beer or a smoke. B S.

 

[brian64]

Money's a red herring, IMO.
The real goal is the gradual erosion of autonomy.
The point of the thousands of behavioral restrictions enacted into law is teaching people to obey.
The rest is gravy.
Obey, obey, obey, obey. Operant conditioning.
Once the habit of obedience is instilled, your job is 90% done.
Social engineering (population control) 101.

I've got one that can see!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBY6pF42I-c

 

[warren]

I'm not sure why some here insist on citing the old canard, "I'm old enough to fight and . . . "
Even the military doesn't think an eighteen year old is ready to die without serious training, discipline, indoctrination and supervision. Put every youngster through what the recruit goes through and I might buy that argument. I know my NCOs more closely monitored my life, 24/7 than my parents did when I was living at home.
I wasn't allowed to smoke anything, any place, under any circumstances for my first three weeks in basic. After that we had a small place in the area where we were allowed to smoke when the NCOIC deigned to allow us the pleasure. And a beer? Not hardly! Not even 3.2 until we finished basic, not on base. I wasn't even allowed to determine my own bed time or pick out my own clothes for crying out loud.
And these days smoking is a negative in the military. What is this world coming to! I ask that rhetorically.

 

[deathmetal]

Get people hooked, ban the one and introduce the next strongest thing.

Sort of like switching people from pipes/cigars to cigarettes.

 

[pappymac]

In California you have the right to live your life exactly how they tell you how to live your life. No tobacco but light up those joints my friends.

 

[sablebrush52]

I think they need to do this with smartphones, but raise the age to 85.

 

[deathmetal]

During the 1990s, for example, three communities in Massachusetts implemented a vigorous enforcement campaign against under-age tobacco sales. Advocates promised teen smoking would fall sharply when it became harder to buy cigarettes. High-profile “stings” exposed the stores that were selling to youths.
The result, according to a two-year study by medical school researchers? Failure. Strict enforcement of minimum-age laws did make it so fewer stores sold tobacco to minors. But surveys of high school students in those same communities revealed no effect on the ability of teens to get cigarettes and no reduction in the prevalence of smoking. In fact, there was an increase in teenage smoking compared with nearby communities that hadn't cracked down.
Similar patterns have played out on a national scale.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0313-males-teen-smoking-20160313-story.html

Interesting history.

 

[iamn8]

I'm stunned they haven't raised it to 24 and taxed it at 500%

 

[gtrhtr]

Didn't they recently legalize recreational marijuana or is that vote still pending?

 

[perdurabo]

Surprised I haven't read "wing nut" blast and bombast. Just winks about smart phones and the usual fight for your country but can't....
Warren's comment about the states right to decide a law was insightful. California also tried to ban gay marriage but the Statist used a High court to create legislation and destroy a state decision. The majority of Americans didn't want their healthcare insurance plans taken away, but once again the statist used a high court to write law at the bench. Now when will the tobacco companies use that certain decision and have the country mandated to buy their product? These totalitarian ideals need to be destroyed. Yet we sit back and laugh at the tv because a Soros funded brown coat March, marches in on a mans campaign speech, whether you like the man or not, his supporters reserved the right to hear him speak. Strange things are on the scene. Strange indeed.

 

[brian64]

Soros funded brown coat March, marches in on a mans campaign speech, whether you like the man or not, his supporters reserved the right to hear him speak. Strange things are on the scene. Strange indeed.

It is fascinating to see the panic of the ruling criminal oligarchy over a candidate who has gained immense popularity and is independently wealthy enough to finance his own campaign...and who they can't trust (because they don't have enough dirt on him to blackmail him) trying to get into the White House.

 

[tobaccojoe]

I worked in a head shop/smoke shop on Haight Street for 10 years. I've since moved away from SF, but this is ridiculous. I still have friends who work in smoke shops and they're saying it's embarrassing. 18 year old people with Medical Marijuana cards are barred from buying pipes or rolling papers to smoke it in because, due to the law, they are for "tobacco use only." We now have already sideways laws bumping into each other and making no sense.
I can't even imagine being a 20 year old cigar or pipe smoker and all of a sudden, overnight, "nope, sorry kid, your too young." Infuriating!
- Joe

 

[mso489]

As an afterthought ... very risky if the intent is to keep eighteen-year-olds from smoking. Nothing more appealing than the forbidden. I think the number of California eighteen-year-old smokers is about to trend suddenly upward. Like forbidding specific books in the schools -- kids who've never read any book before will dive on those like fifty dollar bills.

 

[jacks6]

In that case, they can just buy it on the internet. I mean, you're only asked to click a button to "verify" your age. Screw giving money to the state, get your goods online.