C & D Engine #382: The Deertongue Rides Again

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BriaronBoerum

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Jan 13, 2025
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The first time I tried Engine #382 I was just a few months into pipe smoking -- and that was this past spring, so don't take this review as coming from the point of view of long experience. In fact, it's less of a standard review as prooving a point that experienced members have made here several times: don't be too quick to reject or trade away a blend that you had a bad experience or two with, because tastes change over time. I've found this especially true in my first year of trying different blends, and doubly true of a blend as odd and polarizing as #382.

Looking back at my earlier notes from my first couple of tries, I was struck by the fresh, green herbal vanilla-like note of the deertongue in the bag, and could definitely taste it in the bowl. I was thinking it would be great summer smoke. Then things went off in June and July. One was I had left it in the bag too long, and the leaves had dried out a fair amount, and I couldn't smell the deertongue as well. I jarred it finally, but it got worse. The blend tasted drier and harsher, with too much of a nic-hit that I hadn't experienced before and a lot of ashiness by the second half of the bowl. I knew I was likely smoking too fast, but I didn't think it could change the taste that much, right? I stuck the jar into a drawer and marked it for trading away.

I decided to pull it out once more now that the weather's a bit cooler, and I tried it fairly loosely packed in a small Meer calabash on a fairly still afternoon. And the DT goodness was back! What happened?

I think, as I got more used to smoking, I was packing more leaf into my bowl, and drawing harder to keep it going. Also, in the summer, even in the morning my south facing terrace gets really hot, and I was smoking faster so I could get back indoors. Last, as I got more confident, I assumed that I actually knew how to smoke blends that I'd tried before only a couple of times.

All of this is probably obvious to a lot of folks here, but I hope it may help my fellow newbies. What I've learned from Engine #382 is that, like it's C & D kindred OJK, HB and perhaps Pegasus, it will get harsh and bite-y if pushed too fast. But also, DT needs to be packed fairly loosely and sipped to be enjoyed in all its subtle, tarragon-like sweetness. And perhaps the larger lesson is that every blend smokes differently, and a few bowls is not enough to completely figure out how, especially while you're still figuring out the whole pipe-smoking routine.

So if you've tried a DT blend and wondered why anyone bothered, or you couldn't taste the deertongue at all, consider approaching it like you'd eat a bowl of fresh summer pasta with a sprinkle of herbs on top: don't shovel it down, but just nibble and enjoy.
 

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Lifer
Jul 18, 2023
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Over the years ive smoked several blends with Deer Tongue. Often the flavor of the DT was slight, or non existent. This Spring I added a tin of C&D Gentleman Caller to an order.
Holy mackerel!! The DT is very prominent and smacks you in the face.....and I hated it. :)
Its been jarred sinse mid May, waiting for another try. But I believe this is one of those blends that will not improve for me. I just dont care for the DT, and never will....probably.
I'll try it again this Spring. If its still icky, I'll offer it up to someone who likes it.
 

Briarcutter

Lifer
Aug 17, 2023
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I purchased a tin of Gentlemen Caller. I smoked about half a bowl, couldn't take it. I like heavy topped tobacco like Grousemoor but couldn't handle the DT. It ghosted my shop for a month! I like the smell of DT, it reminds me of walking through the fields as a kid, we must have it growing wild around here. I have no idea how much DT Gentlemen Caller has compared to Engine #382 but it's not for me. Maybe I'll re visit it in the future though.
 
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Piping Abe

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I love Deer Tongue. I tried all the blends with it and Gentleman Caller was my favorite so I cellar it. But all the DT blends C&D makes are really good in their own right. I even have some extra Deer Tongue by itself.

They really cut back on the Deer Tongue in Crooner. So much so, I added it myself and it still wasn’t as good as I remember. I gave away all of it.
 

BriaronBoerum

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Jan 13, 2025
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I love Deer Tongue. I tried all the blends with it and Gentleman Caller was my favorite so I cellar it. But all the DT blends C&D makes are really good in their own right. I even have some extra Deer Tongue by itself.

They really cut back on the Deer Tongue in Crooner. So much so, I added it myself and it still wasn’t as good as I remember. I gave away all of it.
PA, where did you source your Deer Tongue?
 
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