Burley / Perique?

[bphilli75]

I have developed a taste for burleys more so than Virginias and would like to become acquainted with perique blends. I ran a search on tobacco reviews.com for burley / perique blends with no Virginia or Latakia. The front runner seems to be Essence of Vermont from 4Noggins. It has only burley and perique with maple flavor added.
Are there other blends I should try? Does Hearth & Home or Sutliff have blends of Burley and perique?
Many thanks,

Bill

 

[cortezattic]

C&D's Haunted Bookshop and Old Joe Krantz meet your criteria, but they do have a touch of Virginia to mitigate the Burley bitters.

4noggins' Weybridge has similar components, generally; but the balance is so different few smokers would compare it to either HB or OJK.

Rattray's Old Gowrie might scratch the same itch too! That has Kentucky & Perique with some Va for sweetening.

 

[papipeguy]

Check out Cornell & Diehl's menu. They know their burleys. I think most blends will contain some Va unless you get a straight burley. There' is always the option of buying burley and perique and concocting your own signature blend.

 

[rmbittner]

Cortez:
Old Gowrie, unless things have changed significantly since I last smoked it, is a rubbed-out straight Virginia. I can guarantee you that it has no perique in it and no burley.
Edit: Just saw a review online that mentioned the ingredients you mentioned. I don't know what that reviewer was smoking, but it wasn't Old Gowrie.
Bob

 

[leacha]

What you're after isn't really made. Go to 4noggins and pick up the Essence of Vermont. While there grab some blending burly and perique. Mix up your own batch. Email Rich and explain what you are after and he could provide some help.

 

[cortezattic]

Bob, the Kohlhase, Kopp website says, "Exquisite, dark Virginia, Kentucky and a touch of Perique mature in the press up to 3 months, then cut and ground by hand." (Google translation.) That pretty well agrees with what my taste buds tell me. Can you check further? I've been wrong before.
BTW, add Hal O'The Wynd, for which that site claims, "Fire Cured Kentucky, Virginia and Perique were combined, pressed into flakes and rubbed by hand."
I think G.L. Pease's Cumberland might fill the need too: Mahogany Kentucky, red and matured Virginias, Perique

 

[cobguy]

C&D's Haunted Bookshop and Pennington Gap fit the bill.
HB is strong and has a pretty solid Perique kick.
PG is smoother, sweeter and has a bourbon topping.

 

[james80]

Weybridge, Peterson Irish Oak, Irish Spring Flake are all favourites of mine

 

[drwatson]

Milan Tobacco's "OUR LONDON DOCK".....very good stuff, had a bowl on the way in today!

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I'm confused. I thought that you wanted a BurPer? Most of these suggestions are VaBurPers, with Virginia still being dominant. BurPers, are not as common as the Virginia based blends. I'm not exactly sure why, except that most VaPer smokers don't want a heavy casing, and burleys require one to burn well. If a VaBurPer is what you want, Haddos Delight is my absolute first suggestion. But, if you don't want a Virginia at all, then most of these suggested are not going to be your thing.

 

[drwatson]

I could be wrong but the "our london dock" is a burley/perique with a butter rum flavor topping.?

 

[cosmicfolklore]

You're right Doc,

I was just thinking about Irish Oak, Spring Flake, Weybridge, Cumberland, HOTW, Old Gowrie, Haunted Bookshop, are all mainly Virginias, with a dash of perique and maybe a tad more of a dash of burley in the Kentucky variety, which is usually used merely as a condiment. I may be being picky, but I just assumed the OP requested a BurPer, then there was probably a reason he wanted to exclude the Virginias. But, I am just assuming.

 

[cortezattic]

Ya, it's hard to find a pure BurPer -- and quite out of the realm of my smoking experience. The things that I suggested

contain some Va's, yet were either Burley-forward, like HB and OJK, or what I think are more nutlike VaBurPers, or woody tasting.

Blends that have Burley character. But I think I was careful to note that they all contained some Va, for whatever reason.
I was even tempted to suggest a couple of Oriental blends, but I didn't want to derail the OP any more than could be helped.

 

[rmbittner]

Cortez:
I've smoked many tins of Old Gowrie, and I know for a fact that it was a straight Virginia.
In many tins of Rattray's blends, the company includes a small brochure under the lid. Here's how that brochure describes Old Gowrie: "Virginia tobacco pressed as a broken flake following the old traditions of Charles Rattray. A spicy, yet noble tobacco with cool characteristics and hint of subdued sweetness. The tobacco gets its harmonious flavor from several weeks of maturing."
None of the blends in the entire line-up is described as you've mentioned.
Now, it's possible that the recipe has changed significantly in the last year or two. But I can't believe that's the case: Rattray's built a large part of their reputation on their three Kings of Virginias: Old Gowrie, Hal o' the Wynd, and Marlin Flake. I can't imagine they'd alter any of those to be so far from the original versions. (I can't even attribute the confusion to a mislabeled batch, since nothing in their line-up matches.)
Finally, Rattray's hasn't always been consistent in their labeling. They don't always mention perique in a blend, for example. But I'm extremely sensitive to perique -- I can detect it even the smallest quantities -- and I'm also sensitive to nicotine. If perique or anything higher in nicotine were in Old Gowrie, I would know it. (I don't mean that to sound like I have some kind of expert palate or anything! I'm just really sensitive to these two things.)
In short, I don't know what's going on!
Bob

 

[blendtobac]

One of the reasons we've never come out with a straight Burley/Perique blend is the nic kick. I've put together a few experiments and tried them. I'm pretty resistant to Vitamin N, but I had a few cases of the nic hics from trying the samples. I guess it's back to the drawing board.
Russ

 

[cortezattic]

Sounds like a new project, Russ! Maybe some Kentucky/Oriental/Perique.
Well, the Rattray's confusion is OK with me. I like whatever it is I think I taste.

We are all susceptible to the power of suggestion, and I'm not an exception.

I just figured that in terms of authority the website trumped the tin label(s).
This reminds me of what Troels Mikkelsen said when Orlik took over production of Capstan Flake.

Orlik utilized the tins and labels leftover from the Liverpool factory and never received a complaint;

but when they started using their own labels, complaints about the Orlik version started coming in.
It was also Mikkelsen who admitted that Orlik Golden Sliced (sq. tin) is labeled as a VaBur, but was in fact a VaPer.

Nobody (except Kevin Godbee) even seemed to notice.
As for this thread, I think it's better to offer suggestions that might be satisfactory rather than just blow-off the inquiry.

 

[bphilli75]

I have really enjoyed reading everyone's replies. Thank you. As always with this fine bunch of folks, I learn, learn, learn. I'm going to start with the 4Noggins, and the C&D recommendations, while I eagerly await a possible blend from Russ.
...and I had to look up "nic hics." I've never experienced this. This is probably a topic for another thread, but the only time I have ever even gotten light headed or nauseous from Vitamin N was when I once indulged my curiosity and inhaled several draws. Nope. Never again. That I am aware of, I have never had any sort of side effect from ole nic.
Many thanks again,

Bill

 

[drwatson]

PM sent

 

[leacha]

Take a look at Cornell & Diehl - Burley Flake #1 & #3. A little Virginia but it they may get you started

 

[homeguard95]

We'll I'm not certain on how it works exactly but Pipes and Cigars has their make your own blend option now,I just looked at it and it said choose between two and four tobaccos and Perique and Burley on their list so you could always give that a try.