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Briar Lee

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Sep 4, 2021
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$12 a pound

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Buoy Red is a blend of Virginia bright leaf and burley and maybe some orientals and flavorings that duplicates the smell, taste, and aroma of Marlboro Red cigarettes only its milder and easier to inhale.

The closest true codger blend I can compare it to is Half and Half, but milder.

Buoy tobaccos do not list any component of foreign tobaccos, but if it was Made in USA they’d say so.

Instead the package reads, Blended and Packaged in USA.

Tobacco blending is an art and a science, and Fred Rouse and his family have been at it for eight generations in Kinston North Carolina, the heart of the Old Belt tobacco district.

There may be a dozen small tobacco companies left that all blend value bagged tobaccos and compete to but the same leaf and sell over a hundred different blends in plastic bags.

The FDA allows them to pay only $2.83 a pound tax under the “deeming rule”, which holds these are deemed the equivalent of old pipe blends made before 2007.

If there’s a really bad one, I’ve not found it yet.

The trick is to find the best one you like.

For unfiltered cigarretes I prefer Buoy Red, but in a pipe it’s a Virginia forward blend that has notes of citrus and hay and nuts and raisins.

It comes in one ounce trial packs for a little more than a dollar, so you don’t spend much to see if you like it,
 

cosmicfolklore

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The closest true codger blend I can compare it to is Half and Half, but milder.
I may be mistaken, because it has been a long time since I've tried it, but doesn't Half and Half have a strong anniseed or licorice casing?

Back in college a buddy of mine had a dad that worked as an admistrator for Phillip Morris. We got to take a tour of the plant where they made Marlboro, and I was suprised to learn that they added a lot of cherry flavoring to the tobacco on Marlboros. He also sent us home with a trunk load of cigarette cartons.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,566
15,710
Humansville Missouri
I may be mistaken, because it has been a long time since I've tried it, but doesn't Half and Half have a strong anniseed or licorice casing?

Back in college a buddy of mine had a dad that worked as an admistrator for Phillip Morris. We got to take a tour of the plant where they made Marlboro, and I was suprised to learn that they added a lot of cherry flavoring to the tobacco on Marlboros. He also sent us home with a trunk load of cigarette cartons.
Half and Half has coumarin, probably other added flavors.

Both Marboro (reds) and Half and Half retain exactly the same glorious smell as the first packs I bought in 1972.

All of our favorite old brands of cigarettes and pipe tobaccos were as flavored as Juicy Fruit gum or a Milky Way chocolate bar.

As to value tobaccos, the gold blends are usually advertised as all natural tobacco.

Even so, Chesterfield advertised 21 different tobaccos made 20 wonderful smokes.

There are likely a hundred different USDA graded varieties of only flue cured Virginia type tobaccos.

 
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towhee89

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 28, 2021
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I may be mistaken, because it has been a long time since I've tried it, but doesn't Half and Half have a strong anniseed or licorice casing?

Back in college a buddy of mine had a dad that worked as an admistrator for Phillip Morris. We got to take a tour of the plant where they made Marlboro, and I was suprised to learn that they added a lot of cherry flavoring to the tobacco on Marlboros. He also sent us home with a trunk load of cigarette cartons.

Yes,.it's spicy almost, gives me terrible tongue bite , but have no idea what the old American Tobacco Co was like. Surely a different beast. Half Buckingham Bright half Burley !
 

BingBong

Lifer
Apr 26, 2024
1,875
8,330
London UK
Half and Half has coumarin, probably other added flavors.

Both Marboro (reds) and Half and Half retain exactly the same glorious smell as the first packs I bought in 1972.

All of our favorite old brands of cigarettes and pipe tobaccos were as flavored as Juicy Fruit gum or a Milky Way chocolate bar.

As to value tobaccos, the gold blends are usually advertised as all natural tobacco.

Even so, Chesterfield advertised 21 different tobaccos made 20 wonderful smokes.

There are likely a hundred different USDA graded varieties of only flue cured Virginia type tobaccos.

Back in the day, I always thought Chesterfields had some kind of floral topping?
 
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makhorkasmoker

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Aug 17, 2021
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I may be mistaken, because it has been a long time since I've tried it, but doesn't Half and Half have a strong anniseed or licorice casing?

Back in college a buddy of mine had a dad that worked as an admistrator for Phillip Morris. We got to take a tour of the plant where they made Marlboro, and I was suprised to learn that they added a lot of cherry flavoring to the tobacco on Marlboros. He also sent us home with a trunk load of cigarette cartons.
When I first smoked” red bag” roll your own tobacco sold as pipe tobacco (in a pipe), the pronounced cherry-anise or licorice topping really took me by surprise. It was only then that I realized that all those Marlboros I used to smoke decades ago were highly flavored .
 

Zamora

Lifer
Mar 15, 2023
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Olympia, Washington
I may be mistaken, because it has been a long time since I've tried it, but doesn't Half and Half have a strong anniseed or licorice casing?

Back in college a buddy of mine had a dad that worked as an admistrator for Phillip Morris. We got to take a tour of the plant where they made Marlboro, and I was suprised to learn that they added a lot of cherry flavoring to the tobacco on Marlboros. He also sent us home with a trunk load of cigarette cartons.
I've never noticed it
 

towhee89

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Sep 28, 2021
299
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Morganton, North Carolina
I just must throw in my 2 cents, that I HAVE found bagged tobacco actually terrible. Ohm Natural was garbage, it tasted better than it smokes, but it is bottom of the barrel. Imo total crap quality leaf.

The other Ohm are OK, but not that great of quality. It's just that slightly sweet yucky flavoring I can't get over with the Ohm Red turkish and yellow turkish. I do think something was wrong with the Natural though. Yuck.

I stick to my tubs and pouches for my pipe anyhow, as much as I love D and R.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,566
15,710
Humansville Missouri
My wife felt better today and we went on ramble to Versailles. At a Smoker’s Friendly store there, they featured .75 ounce (21 gram) packs of Smoker Friendly shag tobacco for $1.19.

All these value blends are a bit different. This tastes like a Winston, but doesn’t smell as good. The pack reads 95% foreign and 5% domestic tobaccos. It made exactly 27 perfect smokes using Classic tubes.

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A $4.99 six ounce package of this will easily roll over 200 smokes, using $2.49 cent tubes, or 75 cents a pack.

The tax number reads TP-NC-678, which might be Rouseco in North Carolina, or another small blender.

Smoker Friendly bought their premium 12 ounce bagged (pg and flavoring added moist) tobacco from Sutliff, and they’ll never miss a beat buying from some other Little Tobacco supplier.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
If you need a break from your gold bags, how about ryback?

It won the blend of the year thread you know

Daughters and Ryan have done gone and moved uptown.:)

No matter the leaf, the average cost to Little Tobacco is about $2 a pound. No matter the price, the federal tax is $2.83 a pound.

The highest price value tobacco I’ve seen in Missouri is $13.49 for Good Stuff.

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D&R cannot compete in Missouri on smoke shop peg board displays here. It’s unobtainable due to high prices.
 
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towhee89

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 28, 2021
299
933
Morganton, North Carolina
My wife felt better today and we went on ramble to Versailles. At a Smoker’s Friendly store there, they featured .75 ounce (21 gram) packs of Smoker Friendly shag tobacco for $1.19.

All these value blends are a bit different. This tastes like a Winston, but doesn’t smell as good. The pack reads 95% foreign and 5% domestic tobaccos. It made exactly 27 perfect smokes using Classic tubes.

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A $4.99 six ounce package of this will easily roll over 200 smokes, using $2.49 cent tubes, or 75 cents a pack.

The tax number reads TP-NC-678, which might be Rouseco in North Carolina, or another small blender.

Smoker Friendly bought their premium 12 ounce bagged (pg and flavoring added moist) tobacco from Sutliff, and they’ll never miss a beat buying from some other Little Tobacco supplier.

I kept looking at these tp catalog numbers, are these all from one source or is it a general tax code for "TOBACCO PRODUCT" I see it on tins bags and pouches , so I am not really sure, but I'd think it is more for legal purposes, but I'm not sure.

Smoker Friendly makes moist snuff also, it's done by Cheyenne in Grover. Pretty awful stuff, it used to be made by National and was better. Never had their smoking tobacco though.
 

towhee89

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 28, 2021
299
933
Morganton, North Carolina
Daughters and Ryan have done gone and moved uptown.:)

No matter the leaf, the average cost to Little Tobacco is about $2 a pound. No matter the price, the federal tax is $2.83 a pound.

The highest price value tobacco I’ve seen in Missouri is $13.49 for Good Stuff.

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D&R cannot compete in Missouri on smoke shop peg board displays here. It’s unobtainable due to high prices.

Ya get what ya pay for tho, because imo I bet it beats the pants off any other bagged Tobacco's. It sure has beat the ones I've tried. I was lucky to order d and r from the get go when I started ordering smoking tobacco online


I'm currently wishing that d and r was in shops around me. I hate having to order pounds for my gf and wait. I've thought about asking some stores in town, if they can get it.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,566
15,710
Humansville Missouri
Ya get what ya pay for tho, because imo I bet it beats the pants off any other bagged Tobacco's. It sure has beat the ones I've tried. I was lucky to order d and r from the get go when I started ordering smoking tobacco online


I'm currently wishing that d and r was in shops around me. I hate having to order pounds for my gf and wait. I've thought about asking some stores in town, if they can get it.

I started guessing where the 95% imported tobacco in my little package of SF Red came from, and it’s likely Brazil.


Think of about 140,000 families producing 700,000 tons on 740,000 acres worth maybe $4,000 a ton.

If you do the math, that’s 280 million divided by 140,000 which is $2000 average per family.

I can remember my law school professor who’d make us do the math on statistics like this, and he’d say be sure and call your mother tonight and thank her you were born an American.:)

It probably beats planting coffee beans, though.
 

NookersTheCat

Can't Leave
Sep 10, 2020
375
1,464
NEPA
Half and Half has coumarin, probably other added flavors.

Both Marboro (reds) and Half and Half retain exactly the same glorious smell as the first packs I bought in 1972.

All of our favorite old brands of cigarettes and pipe tobaccos were as flavored as Juicy Fruit gum or a Milky Way chocolate bar.

As to value tobaccos, the gold blends are usually advertised as all natural tobacco.

Even so, Chesterfield advertised 21 different tobaccos made 20 wonderful smokes.

There are likely a hundred different USDA graded varieties of only flue cured Virginia type tobaccos.

Yes def coumarin... very distinct. Idk about anise.. I'm pretty sensitive to that. I'm not saying it couldn't be there but I'd think very sparing. It's def got a one of a kind flavor. In fact, I've read that it once upon a time it also contained deer tongue but not today... idk how true that is but I can def see it being a possibility, as I'm familiar with/enjoy the occasional odd bowl of Gentlemen Caller which def contains deer tongue and you can see the similar aroma to coumarin.

Anyway, great review/information. How would you compare this to the Gold you've mentioned before? Is the gold just like a light/top leaf version or does it contain Turkish (more like a camel than a marb?)
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
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Humansville Missouri
Yes def coumarin... very distinct. Idk about anise.. I'm pretty sensitive to that. I'm not saying it couldn't be there but I'd think very sparing. It's def got a one of a kind flavor. In fact, I've read that it once upon a time it also contained deer tongue but not today... idk how true that is but I can def see it being a possibility, as I'm familiar with/enjoy the occasional odd bowl of Gentlemen Caller which def contains deer tongue and you can see the similar aroma to coumarin.

Anyway, great review/information. How would you compare this to the Gold you've mentioned before? Is the gold just like a light/top leaf version or does it contain Turkish (more like a camel than a marb?)

You can’t know, but the Red has more burley, and probably some Turkish or Maryland, and certainly more topping on smooth, cool, rich Virginia bright leaf.

After all, it’s from Kinston North Carolina.:)


If you factor inflation, the top $2 leaf prices today would have only been a dime a pound during the Depression and Workd War Two.

75 cents a pack cigarettes today would have been 3 cents a pack in 1940, and even then a sack of Bull Durham was a dime, and Camels, Luckies, Chesterfields or Prince Albert or Half and Half 15 cents.

While this lasts, we are living in a golden age of good, cheap, dual purpose smoking tobacco.
 
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NookersTheCat

Can't Leave
Sep 10, 2020
375
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NEPA
You can’t know, but the Red has more burley, and probably some Turkish or Maryland, and certainly more topping on smooth, cool, rich Virginia bright leaf.

After all, it’s from Kinston North Carolina.:)


If you factor inflation, the top $2 leaf prices today would have only been a dime a pound during the Depression and Workd War Two.

75 cents a pack cigarettes today would have been 3 cents a pack in 1940, and even then a sack of Bull Durham was a dime, and Camels, Luckies, Chesterfields or Prince Albert or Half and Half 15 cents.

While this lasts, we are living in a golden age of good, cheap, dual purpose smoking tobacco.
Seems to have a good shag cut too which imo is essential for a "dual use"... alot of the drug-store lb dual-use bulks always seemed to have an almost cubed cut.. Def a pipe cut. I could never stuff a tube that would come close to a store bought cig. But you're right I've noticed they've been changing that lately... seems they've kinda slowly been testing the fda/taxation waters... hopefully it lasts
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,566
15,710
Humansville Missouri
Seems to have a good shag cut too which imo is essential for a "dual use"... alot of the drug-store lb dual-use bulks always seemed to have an almost cubed cut.. Def a pipe cut. I could never stuff a tube that would come close to a store bought cig. But you're right I've noticed they've been changing that lately... seems they've kinda slowly been testing the fda/taxation waters... hopefully it lasts

There is a bit of variability on how the shag ribbon cut of these multipurpose value tobaccos are made.

Buoy Gold stuffs about one gram per tube, and other brands like Smoker Friendly as little as .65 grams per tube.

What this means is Buoy makes about 450 cigarettes and the fluffiest brands over 600.

And if used in a pipe, the ratios would be about the same.

This is not new.

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The 1941 Prince Albert can was 1 5/8 ounces, or about 50 grams.
 

towhee89

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 28, 2021
299
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Morganton, North Carolina
There is a bit of variability on how the shag ribbon cut of these multipurpose value tobaccos are made.

Buoy Gold stuffs about one gram per tube, and other brands like Smoker Friendly as little as .65 grams per tube.

What this means is Buoy makes about 450 cigarettes and the fluffiest brands over 600.

And if used in a pipe, the ratios would be about the same.

This is not new.

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The 1941 Prince Albert can was 1 5/8 ounces, or about 50 grams.

Nice ad! As I sit here smoking my Prince Albert and five brothers mix in my El Morjane, I'm just thinking how it's amazing that it has lasted that long and how smokers like myself are still in love with it. Pretty awesome.
 
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