Brick and Mortar

Log in

SmokingPipes.com Updates

New Cigars
12 Fresh Barling Pipes
18 Fresh BriarWorks Pipes
New Accessories
2 Fresh Abe Herbaugh Pipes

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

Drucquers Banner

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor

Status
Not open for further replies.

tobyducote

Lifer
Jun 10, 2012
1,204
3
New Orleans
We have a nice Tinder Box in New Orleans that stocks a nice variety of pipes and a large supply of bulk and tinned tobacco. Obviously their primary business is still cigars, but luckily we can still smoke in this Tinder Box...the mall hasn't booted them yet. The biggest problem is lack of space, more than 3 or 4 guys in there and your shoulder to shoulder. New Orleans really lacks a nice pipe lounge. There are nice cigar lounges but most of the ones I've visited are like walking into Kramer's apartment when he started hosting cigar night...that's just not enjoyable for me. I understand economics is the driving factor, but if I ever win the lottery, I'm opening a "real" pipe shop and lounge....

 

longbowman

Might Stick Around
Oct 11, 2014
61
0
I used to go to the Tinderbox stores in L.A. in my teens. There was one in almost every big mall. The smell of that place is always what I associate with a good tobacconist. This was before tobacco turned into a "target of opportunity" for the Morality/Diet Police. With tobacco, it was firearms that became a social stigma. Because at the same time the L.A. malls had Tinderbox stores, Sears and Montgomery Wards in the mall sold firearms.
Tobacco started becoming politically incorrect until the cigar craze came along, which revived it. Then a little later, hookahs became huge. Probably popularized partly by soldiers serving in the Middle East. I remember in the 90s in L.A. there were coffeehouses that had hookahs and they'd sit in there smoking hookahs, drinking Turkish coffee, and playing backgammon and chess. But it was all Arabic men in there and some Armenians. No hipsters.
Both cigars and hookahs gave a boost to tobacco at a time when the government could have probably pulled off a ban had they wanted to. It was being discussed in upper echelons of the CDC. They decided huge taxes were more effective and so they nailed the cigarette smokers. A lot of B&M stores were being targeted by police "sting" operations that sent in underage Explorer scouts to buy cigarettes and see if they could catch the B&M not checking ID. With that and high taxes, operating a B&M was becoming hard.
And gun shops weren't faring any better. The feds were all wrapped around the axle over so-called "assault weapons" and there was the laws about that. But 9/11 changed the public perception of guns and guns became popular again. Plus, people finally noticed that a handgun tends to be more effective against an assault than a cell phone. In the meantime, yes, we had an influx of Tactical Tommies in the gun shops who were turning AR-15 rifles into the Swiss Army Knife of firearms. More crap hanging off the weapon than ornaments on a Christmas tree. And if you asked for things like lever action 30/30s they thought you must have lost your mind. The gun shops made a comeback, but many started to look like an arms bazaar in the Middle East than anything else. And there's nothing wrong with that. But they had changed course more towards the Tactical Tommies and Mall Ninjas than hunters. It's what they had to do to survive. Hunters buy a firearm once in a while and don't like to fool with a winner if the weapon is a consistent meat-maker. But Mall Ninjas are going to always need the latest weapon or AR-15 variant that the popular tactical discussion forums mention. That's where the real money to be made is. The Picatinny Rail is the best thing to happen to gun shops since the appearance of the AR-15 itself.
Likewise, the B&M tobacco shops had to do some adjusting, too. Cigars, of course. Some have to sell hookahs and the shisha. Still others even have to sell "tobacco water pipes" everyone knows are bongs. They can't keep the doors open just selling tobacco unless they're in a larger city. A lot of them were responding to the market opened up by medical marijuana. Then a whole new entity popped up, that being the "smoke shop" which masqueraded as a tobacconist but sold RYO tobaccos using the fig leaf of "pipe tobacco" to defeat high government taxes. They mostly all use the phrase "smoke shop" so those "in the know" can see who they are. Many of them sell bongs as well.
The whole thing, be it B&M tobacconists or gun shops, are morphing and/or hybridizing because of government taxes, laws, bans, and meddling. The market does not care what the government says or wants. The market can be defamed, insulted, ridiculed, or hindered by the government but the market does not care. The market will find a way because of demand. In the 1980s, handguns were the "evil gun" the government was trying to ban. Gun shops responded by moving on to semi-auto weapons like HK-91s and 93s, AR-15s, Steyr AUGs, and so forth. Then those weapons became the "evil gun" and gun shops took a big hit. But many states passed CCW laws and handguns came back into style and now there's a bigger choice in handguns than there ever were in the 1980s. Even the "derringer" made a comeback, and who could have seen that? Then 9/11 scared the dickens out of everyone and people demanded semi-auto weapons once again. Before that, people could go around the Clinton semi-auto ban by buying AK-47s that had 5 U.S.-made parts in them and AK mags were already here by the conex-load. Whatever the government does, the market will find a way around.
It is the same with tobacco. The market found a way around the taxes. B&M tobacconists can serve a large market in a city, but in smaller cities, they'll often have to serve a larger clientele and sell the RYO "pipe tobaccos" as well as hookahs, shisha, and sometimes bongs. I've seen a number of these places around here. The government will one day find a way to tax the RYO "pipe tobacco" and the market will find a loophole around that, too. Such as selling it as "incense", for example. It's all in how it's labelled.
The changes in B&M stores aren't always a change in who smokes what, but rather, market responses to government pressure coupled with fads and changes in tobacco consumption. Hookahs are a big deal here, but in the Middle East, they've been part of their social scene for quite a long time. Many coffeehouses over there have hookahs for people to use if they don't have their own. So, it's just another aspect that arrived here. The market here also knows the government, so far, isn't taxing the heck out of it. Pipes have really made quite a comeback in their own right. Pipes will be the next big thing and will eclipse hookahs, probably within the next couple years. When that happens, the market will respond and true B&M tobacconists serving pipe smokers will crop up everywhere. The internet is already there, but you cannot open your laptop and smell the tobacco and see it. The B&M will be the place people go to see what they're buying. It's not far off and the market is already hearing the rumor.

 

brudnod

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 26, 2013
938
6
Great Falls, VA
The closest REAL tobacconist around where I live is in Washington, DC about an hour drive away. The next closest is in Charlottesville, VA. I hate DC traffic and the drive to Hook'ville is nearly 3 hours. The great smoking place has turned out to be my screened in porch, the best supply from online vendors (I still like Iwan Ries, since I have been buying from them for 40+ years) and the best advice right here at Pipemagazine.com! Thanks for filling in the void!!!

 

highlander

Might Stick Around
Dec 5, 2013
58
0
As a new pipe smoker who is interested in observing the folks at my local B&M I am concluding that pipe and cigar smokers have, in general, very different personalities. Which would give somebody who smokes both a split personality, but that's another topic.
As a vast generalization, cigars smokers seem more gregarious and come to the B&M to interact with other cigar smokers. They want to see sports and reality shows on TV and they stay for hours. Pipe smokers seem more product oriented; they are into the pipe and the tobaccos and are not there so much to chat with others. They will have music coming out of the TV and might be reading and not talking with others at all. Or they come and, after a bit, go.
Tonight is the weekly pipe night at my local B&M. We have had from four to 14 attend, requiring chairs to be brought out to seat all. Folks bring tobaccos which are placed on a central table for all to sample. The shop also puts out 2-3 blends for sampling. Usually a couple of pipes are purchased as well as several tins, so the shop does well on pipe night. I'm going to attend and arrive early. Only the first four get one of the leather armchairs. Sometimes there is a short "program" -- on Orientals, or blending, or local tobaccos, or cellaring, or a local carver. Ages range from college to decrepit. New pipes are handed around to examine. Smooth jazz is playing from the TV. Last week there was a Peterson trunk show and drawing tickets were handed out for an upcoming pipe drawing. It is really a great time. And is shows what a local B&M can do to promote and sustain the hobby. It is all driven by a single, pipe-smart employee.
As I stated earlier, at times a cigar smoker already there in one of the leather chairs resolutely doesn't get the concept and sits though pipe night, smoking his cigar, trying to talk about politics, and wanting to know why we aren't watching the golf channel. Very unclear on the concept. Or a cigar smoker will put his cigar away and pull out a pipe -- which is fair in my book. The cigar smokers have the lounge the entire rest of the week and the pipe smokers only get it for two hours on one night.
I look forward to it.

 

sallow

Lifer
Jun 30, 2013
1,566
4,395
A good B&M is a treasure and I am lucky to have 3 or 4 in the area. I usually get a few cigars and a tin of tobacco when I go, but the majority of my tobacco is bought online, mainly because of the selection. Not every shop can be Iwan Reis.
I have gotten some really good cigar recommendations though. Sticks I would not have bought otherwise that were really enjoyable.

 

highlander

Might Stick Around
Dec 5, 2013
58
0
The website for Iwan Reis presents quite a pipe shop. Quite a spectacular pipe shop. How do you rate their tobacco?

 

ravkesef

Lifer
Aug 10, 2010
3,090
14,016
83
Cheshire, CT
Quite good, actually. If you like aromatics, Three Star Blue is advertised as the aromatic that doesn't smoke like an aromatic. It's a bit on the dry side and needs to be sipped slowly, but it rewards you with a lovely dry smoke with a delightful hint of licorice, and a spectacular room note. Old Colonial is also quite pleasant. Browse through their tobaccos and pick what you like--you won't be disappointed-- they've been a family business for 150 years, so they've learned a thing or two. And a trip to their store is...well--you'll love it. I always walk out with a bag or two.

 

andy

Might Stick Around
Aug 28, 2013
66
0
When I started smoking pipes a few years ago, I was living in Iceland and travelling regularly to Copenhagen, so my first B&M was the Danish Pipe Shop and I thought that all B&Ms were like that; exclusively pipe, fantastic service, all pipes open and available to look at and handle, knowledgeable staff etc.

Unfortunately I have since moved to North America and have not found anything close (yet). Also I have had a number of bad experiences as described above but this has not stopped me visiting B&Ms but it has definately increased how often I turn to the internet.

 

highlander

Might Stick Around
Dec 5, 2013
58
0
A report on my last visit to my local B&M -- which I generally enjoy and value.
Walked in to discuss pipes with the pipe knowledgeable employee and have a bowl. And perhaps buy a pipe and some tobacco. Put my book and implements down in one of the four chairs in the lounge. Two chairs occupied by cigar smokers (one was not smoking at all) talking loudly and who ignored me. On my visit, the TV had a loud hunting program on. Began to discuss pipes with employee. Was interrupted first, by a guy who wanted a corncob for a Halloween costume, then wanted to discus various things the shop sells --- like darts. Interrupted second by a guy who bought three cigars. Interrupted third by three sketchy young guys who hung out in the humidor so long that the employee went back to check on them. They wandered around, said they needed no help, and then finally one bought a cheap cigar. Another cigar smoker came in and occupied the last open chair in the lounge, but he neither bought nor smoked a cigar. Fourth, interrupted by a guy who actually bought 8-9 cigars and not all cheap. Cigar smokers in the lounge area now very loud. Interrupted fifth by a guy who had some sort of coupon he wanted the store to honor and kept pushing no matter how many times the employee told him that it wasn't valid. Interrupted again by a woman looking for some sort of inserts for e-cigarettes and who was visibly and vocally upset because the shop was down to one and she wanted to buy two. Decided it wasn't worth it, picked up my book and pipe stuff, was ignored again by the cigar smokers (only one was actually smoking), and told the employee that it just wasn't my day to enjoy a bowl at the B&M. He grimaced and agreed.
I left and smoked out back at home. Pondered about the hour I had just wasted. Then went online to see what sort of answers I could get to my questions. Ordered a pipe and some tobacco.
Based upon other discussion in this thread, what I had was a poor experience with poor service -- I did not get to ask my questions, the cigar "smokers" rudely dominated the TV and the lounge, I wasted an hour, and I decided it wouldn't be pleasant to smoke in the smoke shop -- how's that for a contradiction!. And this is a place I generally enjoy.
So I have evolved to checking out who is in the shop before I decide if it is worth my while. I now try to get there right as they open to avoid things like described above. I go the shop about a third as much as I did a year ago. I often stick my head in, look around, and leave immediately. I attend about a third of the pipe nights; I used to attend nearly all.
The result for the shop is that, although I prefer to shop there, I now do over half my shopping online. I did not chose to migrate online for prices or selection. In some real way I have been driven there because, when busy, one employee just can't do it all. And because the lounge lizards have claimed the lounge as cigar smoker territory -- even when they are not smoking and just hanging out -- right under the big sign that says the lounge is for customers only. One of the cigar smokers comes for 4-5 hours every afternoon where he conducts his work business on his laptop which he has plugged into the wall socket and uses the store's wi-fi and where he decides what will be on TV. And shouts a lot. He has to sit in a specific chair to use his laptop and will ask you to move if you occupy it.
I have been smoking a pipe for a year and have learned empathy for those who use the internet exclusively. But I do have to visit Iwan Reis.

 

lucky695

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 2, 2013
795
143
@ravkesef That was a good story... and a fellow MIZZOU guy to tell it. We still don't have a B&M here in CoMo...that's worth anything. And thanks for your service.

 

highlander

Might Stick Around
Dec 5, 2013
58
0
Following up my last visit to my local B&M.
I was going over yesterday for talk and a smoke. But, based upon my learning curve, I called ahead. I learned that the entire lounge was occupied by cigar smokers. Today, I had the same idea and made the same call with the same results. So, there's two days I might have been in the store that I wasn't. And, due to that, the store has one pipe and one tin of tobacco less in sales.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not bitching about cigar smokers. I understand the economic reality. I am bitching about guys who may smoke cigars, but are not buying them in the shop or smoking them while they hang out, sometimes for hours. I don't understand the economic logic of the shop allowing guys to use the lounge to telecommute for their jobs nearly every day.
I always buy something when I sit in the lounge, even if it is just a soda. I have observed that about 1/3 to 1/4 of the "cigar" smokers buy nothing. They just use the lounge as a hang out without any obligation to support the B&M.
I suppose that what I am wrestling with in this thread is my slide into becoming primarily an internet buyer. I'd rather not, but the local B&M is not always a place that supports my pipe hobby.

 

instymp

Lifer
Jul 30, 2012
2,511
1,320
How about one near the French Quarter? Going there the 20th. Staying near Bourbon St. More interested in pipes than baccy.

 

cosmicfolklore

Moderator
Staff member
Aug 9, 2013
36,468
89,373
Between the Heart of Alabama and Hot Springs NC
I'm not sure what pipe shop you mean? When I was in New Orleans for the pipe show a few months ago, the only pipe shops I saw in and around the Quarter were not for tobacco pipes. But, there were a few cigar shops that wede very nice, but no pipes, tobacco pipes. But, maybe I missed one.

 

instymp

Lifer
Jul 30, 2012
2,511
1,320
I wasn't clear, I would like to visit one & maybe buy a pipe while there, as a souvenir only. :puffy:

Thanks for your response, too old for bongs.

 

jefff

Lifer
May 28, 2015
1,915
6
Chicago
I am a long time customer of Iwan Ries. While they may be mostly cigar oriented today they still have a GREAT selection of pipes and tobaccos for a B&M. I probably wander in every 4-6 weeks.
The problem they are facing a large city tax on tobaccos. I still buy a tin or two when I am there but thats just to try and help keep them there. I figure it costs me an extra 25-30% to buy a tin there and thats not a small amount. But I want them to be there 10 years from now, so I pay it.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
7,714
41
Cigars are huge now, so B&Ms would be foolish to avoid that steady stream of money. If someone calls your tobacconist four times a day requesting cigars, wouldn't you stock them?
A good B&M for me is a mellow place. Too many of them are too tricked out. I do not require fancy walls and decor, but someplace where I can go work/think for a few hours while enjoying a new tin would do it for me.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.