That just about sums it up, if I had heard mention of all these methods to pack and smoke 35 years ago I never would have attempted to smoke a pipe, too complex for me. There are too many easier pastimes, rocket science & brain surgery come to mind. :mrgreen:What I realize is, long time pipe smokers are not even using any of those methods. They just pick up the tobacco and stuff it into the pipe and control the tightness of the baccy using their fingers.