Birdseye vs. Sraight Grain & Break-in

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stokesdale

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I can't imagine there would be any difference at all if you rotate your pipes out every few days or so, and even if you don't, once a cake is in it, sealing the grain anyway, I still can't think it makes any difference. I would have to chalk this one up to 'its all in your head' and/or urban legend.
 

sasquatch

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I think some pipes smoke better than others, and some pipes smoke better for some users than others due to cadence, packing, type of tobacco, whatever. So a guy gets a pipe, it's terrific, and he notices it's birdseye (or rusticated, or has a green band) and the brain is imprinted with "ahh, birdseye = great smoke". I don't have any smooth Castellos any more because I haven't loved them, birdseye or not, and I do like my sea rocks, which are for sure "worse" briar. I think we're all a little nuts, I guess is what I'm saying.
 

daveinlax

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It's always interesting to see what guys think of as straight grain.
I wouldn't think it would make a difference but I did have issues breaking in two of what I would call straight grain pipes. One a Charatan Supreme that just didn't taste right for a long time and the other a Ser Jac Emerald that tasted horrible and seemed to ooze sap in the bowl. I've had no break in issues in the past with other unsmoked straight grain Dunhill, Castello and lately with a wonderful Carmette blasted straight grain that smoked perfectly from the first bowl! ?
 
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The "is it red or white oak" bubble test you reference there is a check for a cellular feature (open 'straws') present in red, but not white oak, which often looks very similar - this the need for a quick test.

Unless you are sanding the bowl back to bare wood between smokes, the grain can not possibly have an effect.
Red Oak has an open grain whereas White Oak does not. That's why whiskey/wine barrels are all white oak. If they used Red Oak, it would leak from the open grain structure.
 

daveinlax

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I can't imagine there would be any difference at all if you rotate your pipes out every few days or so, and even if you don't, once a cake is in it, sealing the grain anyway, I still can't think it makes any difference. I would have to chalk this one up to 'its all in your head' and/or urban legend.
For me when I'm breaking in a pipe there's no rotation. I'm smoking it all day every day until it has a cake or I get bored!?
 

saltedplug

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One of the reasons I raise the question is Red Oak, a hard, hardwood. If you put the end grain of dry seasoned Oak in a bowl of water and blow on the other end you will see air bubbles coming out. Now I know Briar is harder then Oak, but like it those fibers once carried sap. Fiber direction makes a difference. It may not be noticeable in terms of smoking quality, but that's why I asked - to take a survey. Based on grain dynamics it's not a stupid question.
When I was a newer smoker I used to fantasize about pipe causality, and sometimes even added myself into the mix, like "Are thick walls an
impediment to the draw, or does a slight upward cant of the draft relate to how I wrap my lips about the button?

You got it bad, man, but you've got an inquisitive mind.
 

ChuckMijo

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I found this
Carl Ehwa, in his landmark book, Pipes & Tobaccos, writes:

“When selecting briar pipes, quality of wood and workmanship and the type of graining are the prime considerations. Pipes made of dense, straight grain wood … have a tendency to absorb moisture much more slowly, which means they will smoke more sweetly and need to be rested less often. The bird's–eye, or end grain at the bottom of the bowl of a straight grain pipe absorbs moisture more quickly than other grains. Yet, because of its position, it allows the moisture to drain away from the tobacco and the channel, thus keeping the smoke dry.” ~ Pg 128
 
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Ziggywm

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Red Oak has an open grain whereas White Oak does not. That's why whiskey/wine barrels are all white oak. If they used Red Oak, it would leak from the open grain structure.
Very true.
All my corncobs have been BE.
Yep, and what is prized in a cob? It's poracity and easy break-in. Same with Meerschaum. Much color comes from the interaction of the wax and exterior smoke, but with time color works its way through the mineral. Then too, we talk about ghosting in pipes. We all know what creates a crappy pipe besides sap still in the wood - lack of poracity when the exterior is lacquered. The pipe has to breath. Years ago when I was selling pipes, old timers would come in the shop and swear tight straight grain pipes were harder to break in. There's no scientific evidence one way or the other, just theories (like putting honey and water in the bowl - oops, I just started something again ?). I've had straight grains, mostly Charatans that smoked good from the start. But I have two BEs that are a cut above. Then too, I have a Charatan Free Hand Relief, Extra Large straight & ring grain that is just a bastard. I got it on the second hand market for a very low price and restored it. It had paint splatters and a bowl you could only put a pencil in; It was a miracle it hadn't split. The wood in this is so hard it almost rings. I haven't given up on it yet and continue to ponder the nature of briar wood.20210209_155538_compress5.jpg
 
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Chasing Embers

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We all know what creates a crappy pipe besides sap still in the wood - lack of poracity when the exterior is lacquered. The pipe has to breath.
I've never had an issue with lacquered pipes and the absorbency and breathing of a pipe were debunked on here some time ago.
 
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