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I don't own a single smart device save my phone, which I honestly would forgo if my job would allow it.

In the 1950 and 60's everyone was worried about being surveilled, now we stand in line to getting the latest surveillance equipment. Products are no longer the commodity, peoples data is now the commodity and the products are just means of gathering it. Count me out...
 
We give up freedom, privacy, and sanity for convenience. I had cameras that I installed and wired to my computer for home security, but my wife was hell bent on getting a Ring camera. The convenience is that we get notified when someone comes on our property straight to our iPhones. The camera is no longer wired to my PC, as it uses that wifi, and can easily be hacked. An employee from Ring could also watch us if they were so inclined. But, because we spend so much time at our other properties at the beach or the mountains, she wanted immediate access for security... an insecure security I mean.

But, I know that China hacking our devices has been on the news a lot. Hell, I am less worried about someone in China watching me than the guy who drives by in his plain white cargo van.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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I don't own a single smart device save my phone, which I honestly would forgo if my job would allow it.

In the 1950 and 60's everyone was worried about being surveilled, now we stand in line to getting the latest surveillance equipment. Products are no longer the commodity, peoples data is now the commodity and the products are just means of gathering it. Count me out...
People have always been the commodity. The radio and television industry operated by selling audience shares to advertisers. People paid for broadcast TV in the price increase of everything they bought, which in turn paid for the marketing that paid for the programming.

The big difference is how blatant and thoroughly invasive the Internet has allowed various entities to become. Algorithms record and analyze your every clue while you're online and people use that information to market to you, direct your news content, suggest or tell you how and what to think, what appearance a site has, all intended to subtly and not so subtly manipulate you. It's amazingly successful on every level, except societally, or maybe even there if the intent is to divide and conquer.
 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
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Throughout history, regardless of where on the "right/left" spectrum they fell---from medieval kings and Industrial Revolution robber barons, to the 20th century's Soviet Union and North Korea---the People In Charge relied on information to become strong, establish themselves, and remain in control.

It is no longer necessary for those who seek power to have the support of an ideologically-driven group to collect information for them, however. Today, controlling people with fear and coercion is simply a matter of having access to electronic records.

In 2024, it is entirely possible to know with complete accuracy what a given individual ate for breakfast, how much he spent for it, where it was purchased, the bank where the funds were kept, how much is left in his refrigerator, when it will spoil, how many hours he spent at work, where he stopped on the way there, where he stopped on the way back, how fast he drove, how much he paid for the car, how many accident claims it has been involved in, whether or not traffic laws were broken, the brand of soap he showered with before going to work, who his friends are, who he has communicated with, his political preferences, his political affiliations, his state of physical health, his hobbies, the music he prefers, and on and on and on... The deeper one dives the more connections can be found and inferences that can be made and investigated, effectively without limit, branching endlessly.

And the pool of stockpiled information grows both wider and deeper every day.

Literally every second of every day.

The remarkable part is that most of the information wasn't extracted by force or supplied in response to an overt request. Most of the time, either knowingly or unknowingly (the "terms of service" user agreement), it was given freely by the individual himself. Often eagerly.

Mother Nature made short term benefit a powerful motivator. lol

As the founder of Facebook famously said in 2003:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SSNs
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks

In short, the masses the aspiring rulers want to control are indirectly demanding to be controlled in an act of simultaneous acquiescence and bestowal. No invading armies needed. There is no longer any need to inspire and recruit followers from the Left/Right well that never runs dry.

In fact, those who are relentlessly driven to achieve large scale power and control over others never did care about a particular vision of society. Their "visions" were just a recruiting tool. A way to gather crowds who would chant their name. All they ever cared about, and all they ever will care about, is being in charge.

Their new weapon? The ability to freeze, confiscate, or otherwise control someone's bank account.

When the social-score/credit model of society is fully implemented, voicing awareness or concern about any of this---never mind criticizing it---will be suppressed by whatever means necessary, until one day the very idea that something's badly wrong will be impossible to conceptualize, never mind articulate.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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Maybe they should remake Maximum Overdrive nowadays. At least the message of being slaves to our own machines would make more sense in a modern setting.

and be a heck of a lot more plausible. I still can't help but think soda machines couldn't launch cans. Also Stephen King is sober now so that should improve the story too.
 
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anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
As the founder of Facebook famously said in 2003:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SSNs
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks
Side note. I always loved seeing people rally against surveillance on Facebook. Half the time it would be the same people who dangerously over shared on that site. I think a prime example was a guy saying they can spy on you with your cell phone and know where you are... Which while a fair point, was kind of undercut by the person having their whereabouts constantly posted on line. You know using an app that tells you what store they're in right now.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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Cars couldn't drive themselves but there was a lot of that.
at least they had the mechanical parts to move and turn (yeah not by themselves, but I feel confident that soda vending machines didn't have any parts to launch cans). I could put it this way. If you got possessed and suddenly could do math above your math education I could suspend disbelieve, but if you started to fly around I'd think he's not that aerodynamic.
 

Daddypants

Might Stick Around
Jan 30, 2023
93
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and be a heck of a lot more plausible. I still can't help but think soda machines couldn't launch cans. Also Stephen King is sober now so that should improve the story too.

I dunno, man. Most of Stephen King’s best work was when he was coked or drunk out of his mind. Lol.

I always thought the coke machine thing was ridiculous too even when I was young. Also, how the hell did those big rigs push in the clutch to change the gears? Lol.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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I dunno, man. Most of Stephen King’s best work was when he was coked or drunk out of his mind. Lol.
That might be true, but that movie in question gives me sidereal heart palpitations and verbal incontinence just from exposure.
I always thought the coke machine thing was ridiculous too even when I was young. Also, how the hell did those big rigs push in the clutch to change the gears? Lol.
Determination!!!
 

Daddypants

Might Stick Around
Jan 30, 2023
93
243
Central Texas
Imagine the mesh network created when electric toothbrushes and adult “toys” are linked! San Francisco will be doomed! The good news is the state of Arkansas will be spared. The good folks of Arkansas may have some of the latter but no need for the former. <wink>
 
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