Best Pipe/Tobacco for Ceremonial Magick?

[warren]

No humanoids are indigenous (lower case I) to the American continents. Some people are indeed protected by the term "Indigenous Peoples" by certain governments primarily made up of later, European migrants. Point of fact is that humans are indigenous only to the sub-Saharan regions. Other than Africa, we are all migrants. That is if science is to be believed and I know some here do not buy into certain science. As you capitalized indigenous I presume you are writing about a protected class of people.
Now are we discussing the herbal material smoked by certain early Americans, or the tobacco smoked by those early migrants smart enough to locate in what is the mid-Atlantic part of the country? If the former, it may be out of place here. If the latter, well then, it is a pipe, smoking tobacco forum. Possibly a poser for the mods. :puffpipe:

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Penzance magically separates the buyers from their common sense and wallets. Proof!

 

[aldecaker]

I was going to point that out, Warren, but I didn't know how to do it as tactfully as you did. So I figured discretion was the better part of courtesy, this time.

 

[jackswilling]

Warren has it exactly right. Since there were several waves of migration to North/South America, anyone after the first person/group came, was an interloper, if we are using that "logic" or we can just default to a race based "logic" and go downward from there.

 

[deathmetal]

No humanoids are indigenous (lower case I) to the American continents. Some people are indeed protected by the term "Indigenous Peoples" by certain governments primarily made up of later, European migrants.

I agree with this. Amerinds are Siberians with some admixture afterwards.

Point of fact is that humans are indigenous only to the sub-Saharan regions. Other than Africa, we are all migrants.

I don't know if I can agree with that. Asians and Caucasians clearly became genetically distinct populations in their native areas. There is also the possibility of parallel evolution, and sub-species unique to both (Neanderthals and Denisovans).
Good study on the ancestral lineages of Euripids:
https://archive.org/details/racesofeurope031695mbp

 

[davet]

+1 warren :clap:

 

[davet]

Asians and Caucasians clearly became genetically distinct populations in their native areas. There is also the possibility of parallel evolution,

DNA testing has already proved this wrong. Specifically remember that some Chinese and Australian aboriginals believed they did not belong to any group originating in Africa but testing proved otherwise. Most of us with origins in Europe have some Neanderthal DNA.
Very interesting stuff, this DNA tracking ancestors

 

[prairiedruid]

My wife is Mohawk and when I go out to pick sage for her I scatter some tobacco around the area that I find the sage. It is in the sense of giving something back to the earth in exchange for harvesting the sage. Tobacco has a sacred position in many Native American tribes as does wild sage. As to what type of tobacco to use I just use a quality tobacco.......using cheap tobacco just seems to send the wrong sentiment.

 

[deathmetal]

DNA testing has already proved this wrong.

Not true. One instance does not equal the whole.

 

[easterntraveler]

Really, this is one of the most entertaining threads in awhile.

 

[warren]

While there are discussions and debate with regards to some conclusions with regards to genetics, I am a believer of the one race, the human race. In that conclusion I must accept the mutations, skin color, eye shape, stature, etc. as well as accepting, as fact, that there was indeed mixing of the gene pool as the different humanoids bred. "Beauty being in the eye of . . ." and a "stiff d--k having no conscience" being the driving force, I suppose, for that. "Adapt or die" and "survival of the fittest" and all of those old, stale adages had and still have some validity.
Other distinctions are the result of geographic environment necessitating certain adaptions, genetic mutation as well as simple survival techniques, hunting/gathering, farming, trade, clothing,etc. Then one throws religion, nationalism, and the simple fact that individuals have a need to feel superior to someone in some small way (aro vs English, Dunhill vs all the rest) into the mix, we have the wondrous world that we live in today.
I find the data sufficient to buy into the science while still maintaining an open mind as to what theories/truths future genetic exploration will bring.

 

[drwatson]

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[davek]

Asians and Caucasians clearly became genetically distinct populations in their native areas. There is also the possibility of parallel evolution,

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DNA testing has already proved this wrong. Specifically remember that some Chinese and Australian aboriginals believed they did not belong to any group originating in Africa but testing proved otherwise. Most of us with origins in Europe have some Neanderthal DNA.

Well, the Denisovan vs. Neanderthal interbreeding had at least some "evolution" following. Although we are all Homo Sapiens, it is quite fascinating that our minor differences were interbreeding (or the lack thereof) as well as environment. With environment being the major difference I'd wager.
I find it interesting that the view of the Neanderthals being a brutish race is being revised now that we of European descent have found we have their DNA.

 

[admin]

I think this has run its course.