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felix Cappuccio

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I use to smoke this tobacco back in the 70s and I enjoyed it is it still available and is it as good as it use to be.thoughts.
 
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JimInks

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It's made by Mac Baren, and very unlike what you used to smoke. The only blends that are anywhere near it, and they are not exact copies due to the difference in toppings, and that both have a little dark fired Kentucky are Mac Baren Three Nuns Green and Savinelli Doblone d'Oro.

Here is my lengthy review of the changes in Three Nuns since the days you were smoking it if it interests you.

This first paragraph contains my review of the VaPer Three Nuns, which was in continuous production until the end of 2003. I smoked around a 130-150 pounds of the several versions (WW2, the 1980s through 2003) of this particular mixture, and while the 1990s and later manufactures had a tad less perique, this review is meant to describe the experiences I was most familiar with: The fermented Virginias provided a lot of rather tart and very tangy citrus, some tangy ripe dark fruit, wood and earth, a little grass and bread with a few light sour, floral, acidic, sugar notes. They took a small lead in the proceedings. The tingly perique was very spicy, earthy, with an abundance of stewed raisins, plums, figs and dates as a strong supporting player. The perique was about 18% of the mix, and played a little above that percentage in terms of effect. The woody, earthy, sweet, floral, herbal, vegetative, slightly nutty, mildly spicy Brazilian lights were just above being condiments. The very mild prune, rum and anise toppings lightly sublimated the tobaccos. The strength and taste levels were a step past the medium level. The nic-hit was medium. Wouldn’t bite, but sported a few small rough edges. The coin cut was loose enough that you could easily rub it out or stack them without getting a tight draw. Had just a little loose cut in the tin, too. Well balanced and very complex, it burned cool, clean and slightly slow with a very consistent, deeply rich sweet and spicy, lightly savory flavor that translated to the pleasantly lingering after taste and stronger room note. Despite its strength, it could almost be an all day smoke for the very experienced smoker. Four stars for this version.


This second paragraph is my review of the Orlik Va/Kentucky version (2004-2013), of which I smoked a couple of pounds: The Virginias offered semi-sweet tart and tangy citrus with slight sour, floral, acidic, and bread notes, a little grass and tangy ripe dark fruit, some earth, wood and few grains of sugar as the lead components. The woody, earthy, floral, mildly spicy, slightly nutty, slightly sweet Kentucky was a supporting player. The amount of Kentucky in the coins varied at times, but it usually ended up being around 18% of the blend. The woody, earthy, sweet, floral, herbal, vegetative, slightly nutty, mildly spicy Brazilian lights were condiments. The very mild prune, rum and anise toppings didn’t sublimate the tobaccos much, and seemed to be a tad less obvious than in the VaPer version. The strength and taste levels were medium. The nic-hit was a couple of steps past the center of mild to medium. Wouldn’t bite, but had a hint of a rough edge. The coin cut was loose enough that you could easily rub it out or stack them without getting a tight draw. Had just a little loose cut in the tin, too. Well balanced and mildly complex, it burned cool, clean and slightly slow with a very consistent, moderately rich sweet and spicy, slightly savory and sour flavor that translated the pleasantly lingering after taste and lightly stronger room note. It could be an all day smoke for the experienced smoker. Three stars for this version.


Mac Baren licensed the rights to manufacture Three Nuns in 2013. They used the Orlik VaKy formulation instead of the VaPer due to legal reasons. This review is for the current Mac Baren version: The light and dark Virginias provide a burst of tart and tangy, acidic citrus and grass, some wood and earth, a little tangy dark fruit and honey with hints of bread and floralness, and light sugar. They are more team players than they are the lead components. Giving them stiff competition and occasionally taking the lead is the very spicy, earthy, woody, rather floral, herbal, lightly nutty sweet, vegetative, dry and mildly sour dark fired Kentucky. The woody, earthy, sweet, floral, herbal, vegetative, nutty, mildly spicy Brazilian lights are barely condiments. The strength is medium, while the taste is a step past the mark. The nic-hit is a step short of the medium mark. Won’t bite or get harsh, but it does sport a few rough edges. The coins are inconsistent in size and shape, and the amounts of the varietals varies a bit in each one. Between that and the loose cut tobacco, the aforementioned aspects leads to some inconsistency in the overall sweet and spicy, acidic, mildly sour, lightly savory flavor. Burns clean, moderately cool, and a tad slow. Leaves little dampness in the bowl and requires a few more than an average number of relights. The after taste reflects the overall taste as it and the lightly stronger room notes pleasantly linger. Not an all day smoke but it is repeatable. Three stars.


Comparisons: the VaPer versions was tangier and more fermented than all other productions, and much spicier than the Orlik VaKy, which sported a very small amount of it. The spice in Mac Baren’s TN is almost as potent as the VaPer TN, but it’s a different spice. The perique had much more fruit than the other non-perique, which made the VaPer much sweeter than Orlik’s TN and a step sweeter than what Mac Baren makes. There’s more acidity in both VaKy blends than there was the VaPer TN. The Brazilian Lights are less prominent in Mac Baren’s than the others, which essentially equal each other in that respect. This is primarily because the dark fired Kentucky Mac Baren uses over powers them. In fact, the DFK has a stronger presence than the perique does in the older TN as well, which wrecks the flavor balance in the Mac Baren TN, and in comparison to the other better balanced productions. The VaPer was deeper and richer in flavor than what has followed. Mac Baren’s TN has the same strength and taste level as the VaPer, and both had more of each than the Orlik TN. The VaPer and Orlik’s were a little less sour than Mac Baren’s, and the VaPer was a little less so than what Orlik made.


The coin cut and amount of loose cut in the VaPer and Orlik VaKy were the same, except the VaPer tended to be more consistent in the distribution of tobaccos in each coin. The Mac Baren coins are bigger and more loosely held together with more loose cut tobacco in the tin. The Kentucky is generally more spread out in the coin rather than centered as in previous manufactures. Also, the toppings are much less obvious in the Mac Baren TN, and it has more honey than the others ever did. Essentially, Three Nuns has gone from the original Bell's blend to being a full fledged Mac Baren product that uses the VaKy Orlik recipe with their own tobaccos. The rating at this forum reflects the Mac Baren TN, and not the earlier incarnations.
 

danish

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Funny how Savinelli Doblone d'Oro is often referred to as both an Escudo and Three Nuns match. Having smoked both of the last mentioned, in the past and present, I can only conclude, that I wish my memory was better. I never found those blends much similar, apart from the curly cut. The more special casing and softness of the Three Nuns, I can still recognize today in the regular MB version, whereas Dunhill/Peterson Deluxe NR, MYB (STG) Big Coin are more like Escudo and has always been a very different blend than Three Nuns. The difference is in the recipe of the casing as much as in the tobacco. Of course aging will change them both but I am reffering to fresh tins of the past and present, since neither hoarding nor patience, were ever my strengths.
 

danish

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Never a match, superior to both, though it doesn't take much to exceed Escudo.
Unless you prefer the Three Nuns casing, that is....
Correction to mine above: MYB (STG) Big Coin should be MOB etc. for My Own Blend, which make some matches for the local market and in case of Big Coin using similar equipment and recipe as in the old Escudo from Cope/Petersen, which was all bought by STG some years ago.
 

kcghost

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The original maker of the stuff had a great product but it's successor companies decided on to make the blend on the cheap and subsequently should have renamed the product "No Nuns".
 
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sablebrush52

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Funny how Savinelli Doblone d'Oro is often referred to as both an Escudo and Three Nuns match. Having smoked both of the last mentioned, in the past and present, I can only conclude, that I wish my memory was better. I never found those blends much similar, apart from the curly cut. The more special casing and softness of the Three Nuns, I can still recognize today in the regular MB version, whereas Dunhill/Peterson Deluxe NR, MYB (STG) Big Coin are more like Escudo and has always been a very different blend than Three Nuns. The difference is in the recipe of the casing as much as in the tobacco. Of course aging will change them both but I am reffering to fresh tins of the past and present, since neither hoarding nor patience, were ever my strengths.
I've never heard anyone refer to Doblone d' Oro as being a substitute for Escudo. They're nothing alike. One would have a really impaired ability to taste and smell to think otherwise. Doblone d'Oro is very like the '90's Va/Per Three Nuns. Not exact, but closer than any other Three Nuns clone, including the clones labeled Three Nuns.
Escudo, on the other hand, isn't made anymore. Yeah there's the STG changeling, but it's not Escudo, it's just something else tinned and labeled as Escudo. Escudo is dead and gone.
 

anotherbob

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I think they're all the same but we age and some of our taste buds die. Except for JimInks (not JiMinks) who is aware of the situation and is a nice guy and is playing along so no one has to feel bad. Every blend is precisely the same it's always been but our senses are all slowly dying. And that's why some of you guys don't like the new Escudo! You're not wrong just impaired. ;) O.k. that's not true. But I think Escudo is still a really great smoke. Doblone d; Oro is as I've said before a weird three star blend. It never tastes the same to me. It can be the best thing ever or the worst thing ever.
 
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ofafeather

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But I think Escudo is still a really great smoke.
I think this is the crux of many discussions. There are many good blends bearing the name of historically legendary blends. The reality is that even with the exact recipes that were used they would likely not be the same. Component tobaccos have changed, processing is probably different, etc.
I think they're all the same but we age
...and this is the other side of the coin. We change. Also nostalgia ruins many things for us with its glory days golden glow surrounding blends of yore.
 

anotherbob

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I think this is the crux of many discussions. There are many good blends bearing the name of historically legendary blends. The reality is that even with the exact recipes that were used they would likely not be the same. Component tobaccos have changed, processing is probably different, etc.

...and this is the other side of the coin. We change. Also nostalgia ruins many things for us with its glory days golden glow surrounding blends of yore.
Even some blends made by the same people with the sameish components will change simply because it's an organic plant. One thing to think about is even if the genetics of the plant stay 100 percent the same the soil will not be the same because soil changes, the weather from year to year will not be the same because weather changes. And we change too. Lots of blends I used to not like until I got good at smoking a pipe.
 

danish

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I've never heard anyone refer to Doblone d' Oro as being a substitute for Escudo. They're nothing alike. One would have a really impaired ability to taste and smell to think otherwise. Doblone d'Oro is very like the '90's Va/Per Three Nuns. Not exact, but closer than any other Three Nuns clone, including the clones labeled Three Nuns.
Escudo, on the other hand, isn't made anymore. Yeah there's the STG changeling, but it's not Escudo, it's just something else tinned and labeled as Escudo. Escudo is dead and gone.
Thanks for correcting me. I have tried to find out, but in vain, from where I may have gotten the idea, that some of our dear forum members ever named Doblone as an Escudo substitute. Including suspecting our Jiminks! As a self punishment, I may asap buy a fresh tin of both Three Nuns and Escudo, then mix them and ghost my favorite Barling pipe with this kitchen sink blend named NoExcuses !
 
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Doblone d'Oro is very like the '90's Va/Per Three Nuns. Not exact, but closer than any other Three Nuns clone, including the clones labeled Three Nuns.
The following from John Loring, a broken pipe, is preserved on Pipedia and is consistent with my xperience when I actually chased 3 Nuns far and wide in the 1980’s and early 1990’s, mostly so I could give what I turned up to the late Basil Sullivan.

  • Prior to the 1980's Three Nuns came either in an orange bordered solid brown (or earlier, sold black) 'coin twist' tin or through the 1960's in a 'knife lid' tin or prior to World War II in a hinged rectangular tin.
  • In the 1980's the 'coin twist' tin was changed from orange bordered solid brown to an orange bordered brown wood grained and marked Made in Scotland although there are some 50 gram tins without that latter marking.
  • In the 1990's production was shifted to Denmark. The Danish production came in both orange bordered solid brown and wood grained tins but all tins regardless of size or color are marked Made in Denmark either on the top or side of the tin top.”
The most desirable 3 Nuns were the first version John mentioned, solid black in an orange circle. Basil swore that the recipe changed when they went to solid brown, but he still thought those were worth chases no, so I did. The wood grain version was wimpy by comparison. One dimensional cigarette strip Virginia’s. These changes occurred while the blend was still U.K. made.

Savinelli Doblones d’Oro is, IMO, a blend Basil would absolutely approve of.
 
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