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cosmicfolklore

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This one I can explain... they release this one in very limited amounts because as soon as people realize that it isn't all that great, they'll stop buying it. But, for the sportsman shopper, have fun stalking that one down.

 

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gerryp

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...it isn't all that great...
I bought some recently and was pretty underwhelmed. I felt the same way about a recent Margate purchase, but was assured that it would improve with age. Maybe it's a Germain thing.

 

cosmicfolklore

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It used to be good, but something is very different about it, and the change hasn't been all that long ago, because I remember it tasting a lot better than it does now. It's not awful, just not worth the effort, IMO.

 

sablebrush52

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$25? Wow, P&C dropped the price on it a lot! They were charging $34 for it for a long while, which was really pissing people off here. If you're looking for a Balkan Sobranie clone that's closer to the original than Germain's ghastly misfire, try WhiteKnight.

 

spartacus

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Tobaccopipes had it for $18 two weeks ago but that sold out within a day.
Thanks Sable, I just picked up some WhiteKnight but haven't tried it yet. I think I have enough Sobranie to not worry about paying $25 especially if this WhiteKnight turns out to be good.

 

chasingembers

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Twenty-five dollars is a bit steep. Five or six years ago, when I last bought it, it was $60/five can roll. White Knight had an artificial sweetness I didn't care for and prefer Presbyterian.

 

alexj52

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I recently bought some from Iwan Ries... $14.50 I think.

@gerryp I once heard that Germain is one of the old-school tobacconists that pre-age their tobacco before selling. Never had much Germain blends before, but wouldn't that mean they would benefit rather less from extra aging?

 

alexj52

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@sablebrush I thought Blackhouse was supposed to be the BS match - how are the two different? Excuse me if this was a stupid question...

 

sablebrush52

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@sablebrush I thought Blackhouse was supposed to be the BS match - how are the two different? Excuse me if this was a stupid question...
Not a stupid question at all. Blackhouse is a copy of Sobranie 759, not the Original Smoking Mixture. Personally, I prefer 759.

 

alexj52

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Thanks! Didn't know there were two BS varieties... would you also consider Blackhouse as a faithful match of its heydays?

 

jiminks

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I'd say it was a fairly faithful match, and the closest one that anybody has made. It won second place in the Chicago Throw Down a few years back when several blenders competed to match 759. McClelland won the contest, but there's no way Balkan Blue was closer to 759 as Russ' Black House was/is.

 

chasingembers

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Blackhouse was first, then Balkan Blue, and third was Balkan Luxury Blend 957.
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/2011-balkan-sobranie-throwdown#post-76388

 

sablebrush52

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@gerryp I once heard that Germain is one of the old-school tobacconists that pre-age their tobacco before selling. Never had much Germain blends before, but wouldn't that mean they would benefit rather less from extra aging?
Germain's considers their blends ready to smoke when shipped as was expressed in an email to a former forum member. The email went on to exhort people to quit "fapping about" (though some here remember the term as "faffing about", or it might as well have been "fannying about") with the unnecessary aging.
Here's how I've come to regard aging. Aging doesn't automatically improve tobacco blends. The flavor characteristics of a blend may change over time. Whether that change is an improvement is up to the individual smoker to decide.

 

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