Recent change , purchase of ammo now requires a background check, added cost $2.50. When the State Police had the this dumped on them, the head of the agency objected because of lack of personnel, record keeping, he was pressured to retire. You must produce Driver Lic. I’d and SSnumber and each added purchase at a later date repeat. Back log can result in long wait. Added hassle and cost will result in no more warning shots.
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Man, Bruen v New York really wrecked NY. They are trying to loophole anything they possibly can now. Don't friggin' let them!
Time to take a trip across the border. Wanna make money? Set up an ammo store on the other side of the state line on every major road. The county I live in used to be a dry country. There is a bar on the county line on almost every road leading out. Perfectly legal. How do they plan to stop online orders? Sell ammo under Fuzzy Wuzzies as a company name. No law says you have to announce what you sell in your company name. That'll throw them off for a little while at least. Have out of town visitors bring ammo with them when they visit. No law against having ammo in the car. No permit required. All they are doing is creating opportunities for out of staters to make money that could have stayed in NY.
Same as Cali and Illinois.
The 9th Circuit just violated Bruen with their word salad on magazine capacity
New York has been an apocalyptic nightmare for decades, it will be the next San Francisco.
Am sure the bad guys will be upset!
50 years and 100 more years will pass and Bruen someday, will be overruled or modified.
There has been a right for free citizens (civilians) to own weapons for self defense and hunting in all free nations since the days of the Roman Empire.
And yet that absolute right, has always been limited in some ways.
Under no conceivable future can hand grenades and shoulder held ground to air missiles ever be sold down at the friendly gun shop. It will not and should not ever happen.
And the current laws on felons owning firearms is beyond a mess,
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And while I don’t want or need another damned bad habit or new vice, in Humansville Missouri there’s an enormous marijuana factory (cultivation barn) that is legally selling a product every customer becomes a federal felon if it’s used in the same house as a single round of modern ammunition or a modern firearm. That is untenable.
An 18 year old kid cannot buy a bottle of beer. But he can walk in any gun shop, and for half what this iPhone costs buy a brand new AR-15 and have enough money left over for hundreds of rounds of ammo and several magazines. That is not something possible in 1976 when I was 18, because no gun shop carried them, and if they had I’d have wanted a Remington 700 BDL anyway.
Until 1982 I had to sign for every box of .22 Long Rifle I bought. Mail order ammo sales were illegal until 1986.
We have a problem too inflammatory to even discus civilly.
But I never thought in a million years a woman would be forbidden from an early term abortion, because there was a recognized constitutional right to it, same as we have a recognized constitutional right to be armed today.
That didn’t end exactly the way I thought it would end.
There has been a right for free citizens (civilians) to own weapons for self defense and hunting in all free nations since the days of the Roman Empire.
And yet that absolute right, has always been limited in some ways.
Under no conceivable future can hand grenades and shoulder held ground to air missiles ever be sold down at the friendly gun shop. It will not and should not ever happen.
And the current laws on felons owning firearms is beyond a mess,
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And while I don’t want or need another damned bad habit or new vice, in Humansville Missouri there’s an enormous marijuana factory (cultivation barn) that is legally selling a product every customer becomes a federal felon if it’s used in the same house as a single round of modern ammunition or a modern firearm. That is untenable.
An 18 year old kid cannot buy a bottle of beer. But he can walk in any gun shop, and for half what this iPhone costs buy a brand new AR-15 and have enough money left over for hundreds of rounds of ammo and several magazines. That is not something possible in 1976 when I was 18, because no gun shop carried them, and if they had I’d have wanted a Remington 700 BDL anyway.
Until 1982 I had to sign for every box of .22 Long Rifle I bought. Mail order ammo sales were illegal until 1986.
We have a problem too inflammatory to even discus civilly.
But I never thought in a million years a woman would be forbidden from an early term abortion, because there was a recognized constitutional right to it, same as we have a recognized constitutional right to be armed today.
That didn’t end exactly the way I thought it would end.
Is this the same for handloading supplies -- brass, primers, powder and bullets?
See, what really sux about this is there will now be that many more New Yawkers moving down here to PA. Mostly city folks, mostly from Queens. It's bad enough that we have to hear them at gun shows, talking really loudly about "my buddy has one of those and it shoots through 17 phone books!" and smell their cologne, but ever since 911, there's been a steady influx of them, actually living among us. They show up at township meetings, demanding sidewalks, street lights, traffic lights and a police department, all things that we are very happy to have very little of here. The build houses and cut down all the trees. They flood the soil with insecticides and herbicides, even though most of us are on well water. They put up huge "security" floodlights that turn night into day, even though we have almost no crime. Why the ^%$# did you move here then, dawg? So that they can go buy that AK or AR and shoot it off at night, when I'm trying to sleep. Sheesh.
Au contraire, mon ami. As a lawyer, I would assume you understand the difference between a right expressly enumerated in the Constitution, and a right determined by some form of extrapolation by The Supremes, I don't want to start a conversation about abortion, I just wanted to point out that the two issues are not the same, Constitutionally speaking. The Supremes haveshirked their duty carefully sidestepped the issues for long periods of time by refusing to take on meaningful, broad cases on either subject. It's a terrible disservice to justice, and a perversion of the Constitution.
In 1976, I was 13. Our local gun shop carried AR's. Many people used them in competition. If I saved my newspaper route money, I could have bought one. But instead, I mostly bought black powder there. Ostensibly, it was for my 1851 Navy, but most of it ended up in smoke bombs and other improvised devices.
Au contraire, mon ami. As a lawyer, I would assume you understand the difference between a right expressly enumerated in the Constitution, and a right determined by some form of extrapolation by The Supremes, I don't want to start a conversation about abortion, I just wanted to point out that the two issues are not the same, Constitutionally speaking. The Supremes have
Yeah, what ever does!That didn’t end exactly the way I thought it would end.
When I was 16, and had a job, car, and girlfriend there was a general store in Cliqout Missouri that would sell me real, honest to God, M-80 or big cherry bombs, a quarter each, or five for a dollar. There was a slight air of secrecy, because the owner would only display them if you asked for “big firecrackers”, and all deals were in cash money.
Yet, when my kids were young enough to enjoy shooting fireworks, eventually I would buy a legal $200 box of mortars every year that nothing I could have imagined as a kid were half as good. But those mortars would have done a lot more grief than put your eye out, if not carefully handled.
There is an unwritten right to celebrate the Fourth of July.
There’s an unwritten constitutional right to have a car, a job, and a girlfriend, and shop at a general store.
We have the right to get married, buy or rent a home, and to sink or swim, and do mostly as we please so long as we don’t violate other’s rights to also, do as they please.
The Supreme Court has found unwritten rights to do certain liberties since the unfortunate case of Dred Scott recognized the right to own slaves.
When I was a kid an 18 year old kid could have bought a surplus or Iver Johnson M-1 carbine and lots of ammunition for a week’s pay and shot up a school, church, mall, or other public place but that was unheard of.
Basic human nature never changes but morals and customs do change.
Over a long period of time the general public will not tolerate the sale of $600 ARs to every body who walks in off the street, who is 18 and can pass a background check.
It won’t end our gun rights, entirely.
But it will be as controversial as overturning Roe vs Wade, when it happens.
I guess you don’t understand gun laws or the 2nd amendment.
The problem isn’t buying a gun legally.
The problem is criminality. Something the powers that be never discuss.
The real problem I believe is we gun owners always preach not just to the choir, but the most devout in the church.
Soldiers have been issued hand grenades for over a century. A hand grenade is a very useful weapon, as is a claymore mine.
If Americans had the right to the current personal military weapons carried by our soldiers we could buy hand grenades and claymores and MANPADS by walking in the gun shop and filling out a 4473.
Even Bruen allows regulation if
The arm is protected by the Second Amendment as commonly used by the people
If so, is
The law is consistent with this nation’s “tradition of historical regulation of firearms”,
There there is no way under the sun or moon or stars any court will ever allow a modern $1,500 man portable ground to air missile to come under the 2nd amendment. It will not happen.
The way courts will do that, is to claim a ground to air rocket launcher is a purely military weapon in all cases. It is not protected by the Second Amendment any more than “M-16s or the like” as reserved for the military in Heller.
But for common pistols, rifles, and shotguns the Supreme Court has issued an opinion that is wide open.
Traditionally children could buy or possess any firearm they wanted.
I love guns.
But we gun owners are slouching forward to utter disaster.
Traditionally there is no history of outlawing abortion in the United States. Abortion was no more a crime at common law than selling a gun to a child.
I hope I don’t live to see it, but Bruen might not last fifty years like Roe did.
Let’s analyze this fee and background check in light of the Bruen decision.
Let’s assume this is otherwise common ammunition, not a 155 howitzer round.
It’s a box of modern cartridges , SAAMI spec, normal stock in trade.
That is protected by the Second Amendment. The right to keep (possess) and bear (use) firearms is for loaded ones.
So on to step two.
Is the regulation consistent with traditional USA firearms regulation when the Second Amendment was drafted (or shortly afterwards).
Hell no.
Ammunition was sold to children, anybody who had the money, felons, thieves, and the only ammunition laws were on the producers of gunpowder who with regularity blew up their own powder works.
Since the requirement of a background check for ammo is not historical, the entire law fails.
A sales tax on the ammo would be allowable, if not targeted at firearms. The $2.50 fee might be allowed, if the background check was allowed.
What’s so wrong with Bruen is there were no laws in colonial America against selling guns to anyone except Indians and slaves, or perhaps freed slaves.
No laws against selling a good size bottle of opium to go along with the gun.
And there were no state or federal prisons, only jails. If a felon wasn’t hung they could buy all the guns they wanted.
What laws there were about guns were it was usually illegal to have guns at church, in police custody, a courthouse, or if then and there intoxicated.
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What's actually going to happen is rule of law will become so weak that kids will find more and more powerful weapons easier and easier to acquire.When I was 16, and had a job, car, and girlfriend there was a general store in Cliqout Missouri that would sell me real, honest to God, M-80 or big cherry bombs, a quarter each, or five for a dollar. There was a slight air of secrecy, because the owner would only display them if you asked for “big firecrackers”, and all deals were in cash money.
Yet, when my kids were young enough to enjoy shooting fireworks, eventually I would buy a legal $200 box of mortars every year that nothing I could have imagined as a kid were half as good. But those mortars would have done a lot more grief than put your eye out, if not carefully handled.
There is an unwritten right to celebrate the Fourth of July.
There’s an unwritten constitutional right to have a car, a job, and a girlfriend, and shop at a general store.
We have the right to get married, buy or rent a home, and to sink or swim, and do mostly as we please so long as we don’t violate other’s rights to also, do as they please.
The Supreme Court has found unwritten rights to do certain liberties since the unfortunate case of Dred Scott recognized the right to own slaves.
When I was a kid an 18 year old kid could have bought a surplus or Iver Johnson M-1 carbine and lots of ammunition for a week’s pay and shot up a school, church, mall, or other public place but that was unheard of.
Basic human nature never changes but morals and customs do change.
Over a long period of time the general public will not tolerate the sale of $600 ARs to every body who walks in off the street, who is 18 and can pass a background check.
It won’t end our gun rights, entirely.
But it will be as controversial as overturning Roe vs Wade, when it happens.
This comment about migration seems to forgot that they are represented by a Neanderthal in Congress !
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As a responsible gun owner, I admit this country has a firearms problem. There is ample evidence that the current abundance of weapons and ammunition is not on the path to addressing the problem. I lack good proposals for ways to keep firearms and ammunition away from the criminal, the deranged, or the irresponsible, but until we figure it out tragedies will surely continue.
As a responsible gun owner, I admit this country has a firearms problem. There is ample evidence that the current abundance of weapons and ammunition is not on the path to addressing the problem. I lack good proposals for ways to keep firearms and ammunition away from the criminal, the deranged, or the irresponsible, but until we figure it out tragedies will surely continue.
I'm not a lawyer, but you actually CAN own a ground to air rocket launcher, which is purely for military use. According to "18 US Code 2332g Missile systems designed to destroy aircraft" the prohibited part is the guidance system. Other than that it is just another NFA regulated destructive device.
You can also own hand grenades and claymore mines. You just need to find an FFL with a Type 9 license. Generally, the issue with owning things like a surface to air missile, hand grenades, a machine gun, an M1 Abrams tank, or an ICBM, isn't a prohibition against owning scary, military grade, "destructive devices"; it is an issue of rarity and/or compliance with other regulations associated with the ownership of said device. The anti-aircraft, surface to air missile is a perfect example. If you could ind one for sale, all you would need to do is find a properly licensed FFL, fill out the right ATF forms, and pay the tax stamp & you'd own it. The real problem with owning one is that even if you could find one for sale it would be prohibitively expensive, you can't own the guidance system, which renders it useless, and even if you just wanted to shoot it off for fun there are probably a hundred FAA regulations and municipal laws that you'd need to find a way to comply with. I guess that's a long winded way of saying that you're technically allowed to own all those things, but the practicality makes it impossible.
Honestly I'm not sure that we do have a firearms problem. I think we have a much deeper problem with societal despair and apathy brought about by the failure of all our institutions over the past several decades. Our problem with firearm related violence is just a symptom of that deeper disease. At this point I'm afraid that it can no longer be fixed.
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