Anyone Seen Oppenheimer?
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I have enjoyed virtually all of Nolas pics and this topic is a good one. Given that, I think it would have to try hard to be bad.
Also, If you like the subject, timeframe and characters, I can't recommend enough the TV show "Manhattan". It's well worth the investment of time and money to purchase if you can't fit for free.
Also, If you like the subject, timeframe and characters, I can't recommend enough the TV show "Manhattan". It's well worth the investment of time and money to purchase if you can't fit for free.
I can't bring myself to entertain media that glorifies lunatics.
I assume you've read or heard about the things he did when younger then.
The Oppenheimer biography American Prometheus was excellent. Recommended.
Nolan, however, keeps trying to tell serious stories in a comic book style.
Interstellar, for example. Told in a Star Wars "tone", it could have been good. Or it could have been good if told in a scientifically plausible one. But instead, we get stuff like a guy jumping into a fighter-jet-sized craft powered by reaction engines to travel to one of Saturn's moons where he'll dive into an energy warp/time fold sort of thing which will spit him out at the edge of a black hole which he'll also dive into, which will take him to an exact point in space and time in another GALAXY (!?) where he will find the girl he had the hots for but left behind.
Um, no.
Little doubt the new Oppenheimer movie will get the same comic book treatment. Nolan seems incapable of helping himself regarding it.
PS --- anyone interested in the full history of atomic bomb development, as opposed to one man's contribution, this is considered the benchmark:
Nolan, however, keeps trying to tell serious stories in a comic book style.
Interstellar, for example. Told in a Star Wars "tone", it could have been good. Or it could have been good if told in a scientifically plausible one. But instead, we get stuff like a guy jumping into a fighter-jet-sized craft powered by reaction engines to travel to one of Saturn's moons where he'll dive into an energy warp/time fold sort of thing which will spit him out at the edge of a black hole which he'll also dive into, which will take him to an exact point in space and time in another GALAXY (!?) where he will find the girl he had the hots for but left behind.
Um, no.
Little doubt the new Oppenheimer movie will get the same comic book treatment. Nolan seems incapable of helping himself regarding it.
PS --- anyone interested in the full history of atomic bomb development, as opposed to one man's contribution, this is considered the benchmark:
Yep, and the idea of poisoning the food supply of Germany and Japan with radioactive byproducts.
I feel like the higher budget he has to work with the less I'll like his movies. I don't think I've really liked one of his movies since he got to the point where he's been labeled a genius and got a genius sized budget.
I'd be interested in the movie drama, and also the documentary to be shown next Sunday night at 10 p.m. EDT on TV -- see your local listings.
Oppenheimer was a complicated person taking on an even far more complicated military and moral conundrum, but if he hadn't done it, there were plenty who would have, so he was hardly the "only man."
The Nazis had the necessary theory and concept, so the Manhattan project was essentially playing what its leaders thought was catch-up. Hitler started out so far ahead on technology with aircraft and submarines, he didn't consign the resources for a super bomb.
Oppenheimer thought humankind wouldn't graduate from atomic to hydrogen bombs, because that would make war impossible. We see how that worked out. We now face potential human extinction, the extinction of many other species, and maybe of life itself. Good job.
However, to the Marine Corps assault troops in the Pacific before the end of the war, faced with endless massive assaults on the Japanese homeland, the bomb was a blessing. One older WWII Marine Corps veteran friend carried a photo of the Enola Gay, one of the bombers that dropped one of the bombs, in his wallet like the photo of family. For him, it was his ticket back to life.
In terms of civilian casualties, I believe the firebombing of Japanese cities toward the end of the war was greater than the atomic bombs. The U.S. Army General Curtis Lemay who coordinated that bombing said, if we lost the war, he'd be tried as war criminal.
Oppenheimer was a complicated person taking on an even far more complicated military and moral conundrum, but if he hadn't done it, there were plenty who would have, so he was hardly the "only man."
The Nazis had the necessary theory and concept, so the Manhattan project was essentially playing what its leaders thought was catch-up. Hitler started out so far ahead on technology with aircraft and submarines, he didn't consign the resources for a super bomb.
Oppenheimer thought humankind wouldn't graduate from atomic to hydrogen bombs, because that would make war impossible. We see how that worked out. We now face potential human extinction, the extinction of many other species, and maybe of life itself. Good job.
However, to the Marine Corps assault troops in the Pacific before the end of the war, faced with endless massive assaults on the Japanese homeland, the bomb was a blessing. One older WWII Marine Corps veteran friend carried a photo of the Enola Gay, one of the bombers that dropped one of the bombs, in his wallet like the photo of family. For him, it was his ticket back to life.
In terms of civilian casualties, I believe the firebombing of Japanese cities toward the end of the war was greater than the atomic bombs. The U.S. Army General Curtis Lemay who coordinated that bombing said, if we lost the war, he'd be tried as war criminal.
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I might wait until it can be streamed. I generally like Nolan films. Loved memento, Inception and the Dark Knight trilogy. Dunkirk was ok. Two films I didn't really like were Tenet and Interstellar, mainly due to inadible dialogue. I am not keen on the sound editing and loudness of the background noise in some of his films.
It's not just you.
People have been complaining about it for years.
The pushback has made no difference. If anything, Nolan has doubled down, insisting that not being able to hear or understand what characters say forces audiences to "enter the world of the film more completely because greater attention and concentration is required", and high music dB levels are "more immersive" . Yadda yadda
...even after being told BY those audiences it doesn't work that way.
That's some GradeAAA Prime #1 narcissistic bullshit, right there.
My main issue with Nolan films is also the inaudible dialogue. I literally could only make out every fifth word when I saw Dunkirk. Same for the Batman flicks. I may see it at home when it streams so I can turn on the subtitles, lol.
that's how art works. The other side of it is that audiences are free to not see whatever.
Or to put it another way I think he's a total wanker at this point and I doubt he's crying over that.
Dunkirk was unwatchable because of the soundtrack. Waiting to hear if his latest offering is better before spending money to go to a theater.
Oppenheimer was, as my mother used to say, an odd duck. For all of his genius, he made a number of unusual decisions in his personal life, these came back to haunt him in his later years. The best books of his life and times are American Prometheus, Making of the Atomic Bomb, and Dark Sun; the latter two by Richard Rhodes. The early part of the 20th century was a heyday for physics particularly what is now called Quantum Mechanics. Oppenheimer stood out among giants like Einstein, Hans Bethe, Erwin Schroedinger, Teller, Enrico Fermi, the Curies, Richard Feynman, and others. The discoveries made with the crude experimental devices available at the time are astonishing.
Oppenheimer was, as my mother used to say, an odd duck. For all of his genius, he made a number of unusual decisions in his personal life, these came back to haunt him in his later years. The best books of his life and times are American Prometheus, Making of the Atomic Bomb, and Dark Sun; the latter two by Richard Rhodes. The early part of the 20th century was a heyday for physics particularly what is now called Quantum Mechanics. Oppenheimer stood out among giants like Einstein, Hans Bethe, Erwin Schroedinger, Teller, Enrico Fermi, the Curies, Richard Feynman, and others. The discoveries made with the crude experimental devices available at the time are astonishing.
I thought you were asking the whereabouts of a Forum member called Oppenheimer....DOH
.Regards,
Jay.
I thought you were asking the whereabouts of a Forum member called Oppenheimer....DOH
Regards,
Jay.
No.
Its only missing Cornishmen we search for.
