Anyone Have any Bad Experiences with Cleaning Agents Ghosting?

[Sloopjohnbee]

EDIT: Fixed Capitalization in Title (See Rule 9)

I know many of you don't wash out your jars - but anyone ever have any bad experiences with dish soap/detergent for jars or even pipes(for those of you who use water) as long as it's rinsed well? they say mild fragrance and I don't smell much of it on the hands once rinsed off.
How about dishwasher detergents - you think it would ever ghost ?
what I'm asking is do you think it's enough to ruin the tobacco, flavor or quality or even ph once stored?

 

[verporchting]

You shouldn’t smell anything except glass jar after cleaning them. If you do it’s not clean and yes, it could affect the tobacco. I thoroughly wash then rinse my jars with boiling hot water from the teapot and there isn’t a whiff of any scent whatsoever. I wash the rings and replace the lids. No ghosts, no mold, no worries.

 

[geopiper]

No. The glass shouldn't hold any residual of the cleaning agent IF it is rinsed well with hot water. I wash my jars by hand in the sink and use clean towels to dry. I don't use the dishwasher: too much food particles in there and the detergent sometimes doesn't rinse off completely even though the glass appears clean.

 

[Sloopjohnbee]

You shouldn’t smell anything except glass jar after cleaning them. If you do it’s not clean and yes, it could affect the tobacco. I thoroughly wash then rinse my jars with boiling hot water from the teapot and there isn’t a whiff of any scent whatsoever. I wash the rings and replace the lids. No ghosts, no mold, no worries.

I see. can you elaborate on a bad experience you've had, if so?

 

[verporchting]

I tried just running jars through the dishwasher and I could plainly still smell both the previous tobacco AND traces of detergent. Figured if I could smell it then it wasn’t clean enough and could result in mold or ghosts. After hand washing and rinsing with boiling hot water I’ve never had a single problem.

The one and only time I put tobacco in a jar straight out of the dishwasher the new tobacco tasted like the previous blend and a bit like detergent and it was just a bad combination.

Later I had a similar experience with a reused lid so now I throw them away unless I’m just refilling the jar with more of the same blend. If I’m just replacing the same blend once the jar is empty (usually I reorder once the jars are getting empty) then I often just wipe the jar out with a clean cloth and refill and reuse the lid and all. Figure if there wasn’t an issue why bother. YMMV but it’s working for me okay.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

You have washed dishes before right?

I mean, if you'll drink out of a glass that you washed, I wouldn't think storing some tobacco in one you've washed would be any different.

 

[Sloopjohnbee]

You have washed dishes before right?

I mean, if you'll drink out of a glass that you washed, I wouldn't think storing some tobacco in one you've washed would be any different.

just don't want the 'baccy to 'sweat' in a jar aging and pick up some florally musty chemical odor that once lit up gives you that "hey, this is good tobacco but what's that on the end of it" experience
I've gotten that with pipes that I've ordered on etsy - the dude mustve cleaned it with something strange

 

[cosmicfolklore]

My suggestions for dealing with mason jars, and I go though thousands of jars a year for our foods and tobaccos, and tons of glass bottles for winemaking.
First, wash them by hand, because the oils of the tobaccos is the culprit, and while the dishwasher may do an OK job, washing by hand with a mild dishwashing detergent is going to be the absolute BEST way to get all of those oils out.
Then just before jarring again, turn on the oven to like 175-190F. This is not hot enough to seriously burn you, but keeping the jars about 140F for 30 minutes will kill all microbes. This is called pasteurization. At 175, the microbes will be killed much faster, maybe 10 minutes.
Just put your jars in there, maybe four or so at a time, and take them out with a glove and fill, The jars will be totally sterile and the heat will help set the seal.

It's not overly complicated, but a little more work than using brand new jars. Brand new jars will come sterile and clean, so I just usually heat them less and pack. No worries.

If you even see what happens inside the dishwasher, your dishes are just getting sprayed off. It's not the best way to deal with dishes or jars. IMO.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

the dude mustve cleaned it with something strange

I'm going to guess they polished them with a commercial furniture polish. People suggest that stuff on here too. When my wife uses it on the furniture, I gag and it sets off my allergies. I hate the smell of Pledge and Old English. I would NEVER put it on my pipes.

That's a whole different thing than cleaning your jars.

 

[bullet08]

If there's doubt about how clean your jar is, pour a can of beer in it. If the glass isn't clean, it won't get a good head. Of course, this will not answer your question, but you can have the beer and think about how to wash the jar again.

 

[BROBS]

I'm going to guess they polished them with a commercial furniture polish. People suggest that stuff on here too. When my wife uses it on the furniture, I gag and it sets off my allergies. I hate the smell of Pledge and Old English. I would NEVER put it on my pipes.

That's a whole different thing than cleaning your jars.

I know. People say Murphy’s oil soap and I cringe

 

[STP]

You’re overthinking it. Wash, rinse, dry, and add tobacco ?

 

[PipesRock]

My routine:
Step one: Go by @chasingembers house and check the trash for usable jars.
Step two+: What @cosmicfolklore said. (I admit I usually skip oven)

 

[Chasing Embers]

My routine:
Step one: Go by @chasingembers house and check the trash for usable jars.
Step two+: What @cosmicfolklore said. (I admit I usually skip oven)

All scrap glass is ran through a glass crusher before being placed in the recycling can.

 

[PipesRock]

All scrap glass is ran through a glass crusher before being placed in the recycling can.

Now you tell me... to think of all those wasted trips from FL lol.

 

[karam]

I haven't had issues with tobacco ghosting a jar, but I had a flip top jar where I prepared Moroccan preserved lemons and THAT ghosted the hell out of it. I mean repeated washing with hot water + dish liquid, dish washer, rinse with boiled vinegar, stick in the oven at 100C for an hour. Nothing, the jar STILL smelled of lemon - until i replaced the rubber seal which of course got exempt from the harsh treatment

Modern manufactured glass shouldn't ever hold on to a smell.

 

[coming to_falling too]

I haven't had issues with tobacco ghosting a jar, but I had a flip top jar where I prepared Moroccan preserved lemons and THAT ghosted the hell out of it. I mean repeated washing with hot water + dish liquid, dish washer, rinse with boiled vinegar, stick in the oven at 100C for an hour. Nothing, the jar STILL smelled of lemon - until i replaced the rubber seal which of course got exempt from the harsh treatment

Modern manufactured glass shouldn't ever hold on to a smell.

Yeah the rubber gaskets will definitely ghost on those bale top jars. I picked up replacements online for live and haven't had any problems since.

 

[scloyd]

I've washed jars by hand and in the dishwasher, never had any issues...yet.

Does anyone remember a couple of years ago, we had a forum member (from Brazil?) whose cleaning lady cleaned his pipes, inside and out, with some sort of spray cleaner? That was an interesting thread.