Another Ebay Account Hack?

[seacaptain]

I was just offering my personal anecdotal experience in the first post I made in this thread. Some people on ebay absolutely have friends or relatives who repack and reship to avoid customs. Pointing that out isn't "judgemental" or "disparaging", it's merely relating a personal experience.
The rest of you started down the path of "How dare you disparage ALL legitimate repacking businesses" Whatever. :roll:

 

[cigrmaster]

seacaptain, when you said what you did, it makes you look like you are the moral authority on people who wish to circumvent their countries customs practices. If I lived outside the US, I would do anything I could to avoid paying ridiculous tariffs or taxes. So that makes me dishonest in your opinion. Who are you too judge what people pay or don't pay?
That is why people are taking issue with your comments, even though they were not directed at anyone on this forum.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

There's a financial reason for the repack and reship services being provided and it isn't an honest one.

Those were your words. I don't understand why you're so surprised people took issue with it.
Your comments were rife with judgment - both at reshipping companies and anyone who might try to avoid customs. It seems rather sanctimonious, as I said above.

 

[seacaptain]

seacaptain, when you said what you did, it makes you look like you are the moral authority on people who wish to circumvent their countries customs practices. If I lived outside the US, I would do anything I could to avoid paying ridiculous tariffs or taxes. So that makes me dishonest in your opinion. Who are you too judge what people pay or don't pay?
That is why people are taking issue with your comments, even though they were not directed at anyone on this forum.

People (not directed at you personally) seem to be making a lot of emotion driven assumptions then. I clearly said in a subsequent post that I don't care what people do, I just don't want to personally participate in anything that could be fraud. Customs fraud is fraud. Saying so is just an acknowledgement of what it is, not setting yourself up as a "moral authority".
This issue has clearly hit a nerve with a lot of people. Does that mean a lot of people here on the pipe forum engage in customs fraud, and like Fight Club, we can't talk about it? Well, ok then. Sorry I brought it up.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

The customs and forwarding issues aside, I personally AM taking issue with your repeatedly saying that just because someone doesn't agree with you they are being "emotional" or it "struck a nerve." It's pretty condescending, in my opinion.

 

[cigrmaster]

Seacaptain, there are tons of people on this site who circumvent their customs laws. Most of the guys in Canada do every time they order from 4noggins. I would be right with them if I lived up there.

 

[seacaptain]

Those were your words. I don't understand why you're so surprised people took issue with it.

That was subsequently said in the context of the specific examples I had already mentioned. It wasn't a comment intended to cover 100% of all people all the time. But I can see how you'd take it that way if you (people) didn't follow the entire context of the comments. So, I'll give you that one.
It's still funny why anyone would get so offended and indignant at a comment that has nothing to do with them. I keep forgetting that we live in a society that hates "judgement" based comments.

Your comments were rife with judgment - both at reshipping companies and anyone who might try to avoid customs. It seems rather sanctimonious, as I said above.

You do realize that calling someone sanctimonious is judging them don't you?

 

[seacaptain]

The customs and forwarding issues aside, I personally AM taking issue with your repeatedly saying that just because someone doesn't agree with you they are being "emotional" or it "struck a nerve." It's pretty condescending, in my opinion.

Heh, you edited it. I already replied to you pre-edit version. People can judge for themselves who (if anyone) is being emotional. It's the internet, you shouldn't take it so personally.

 

[seacaptain]

Seacaptain, there are tons of people on this site who circumvent their customs laws. Most of the guys in Canada do every time they order from 4noggins. I would be right with them if I lived up there.

That probably explains it then, it didn't occur to me. And again, I really don't care. My first post was just relating my own experience with some ebayers, and that I choose not to participate in fraud myself. No one here should take that as a personal insult.

 

[kola]

Don't get sucked in, Sea Captain, post you opinion and leave it at that.
But all I want to know is......... Who let the dogs out ????????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM

 

[warren]

Why would anyone pay for repackaging and additional postage instead of direct shipping if they are making honest customs declarations? There's a financial reason for the repack and reship services being provided and it isn't an honest one.

Captain, please parse the above and show me where you are exempting "honest" shipping companies from your statement. I'm not seeing it. You phrased your statement to include people who strive deal with customs regulations and laws in a legal manner. Some of us do not enjoy seeing people "tarred" with such a broad brush.
You only address the customs rules in the originating country. There are also the regs in the receiving country. "Customs Brokers" are an important part of overseas shipping. This is particularly true when shipping certain items and when dealing with certain countries. They are worth the extra costs! Particularly for companies and individuals not wishing to run afoul of various customs laws and regulations.

 

[kola]

What do you want, Warren? his apology? a kiss on the boots? It's one mans opinion, nothing more. Woof.

 

[seacaptain]

Captain, please parse the above and show me where you are exempting "honest" shipping companies from your statement. I'm not seeing it. You phrased your statement to include people who strive deal with customs regulations and laws in a legal manner. Some of us do not enjoy seeing people "tarred" with such a broad brush.

I already addressed that in my reply to p.s.tom. But regardless, so what? Did you or anyone else really think I thought that 100% of all people every time are engaging in customs fraud? Really, you thought that? :roll:
I just mentioned my personal experience with the issue and my unwillingness to engage in fraud. Based on the admission that "tons of people on the forum" commit customs fraud exactly as my personal experience indicated, I think my original point is vindicated.
At this point, you guys are just dogpiling, I can only assume because you (people who are offended) are probably among the "tons of forum members" committing customs fraud. Which again, I said I don't care, I just don't want to participate.

 

[warren]

I'd prefer a video of his self-flagellation, sack cloth, etc., the whole enchilada. :worship:
If he'd just started with stating that he was writing from his experience, a specific instance, I'd have no trouble with his observations. I am not a fan of indefensible general statements, indicting whole swathes of people. It's a weakness of mine that I am unapologetic about.

 

[seacaptain]

If he'd just started with stating that he was writing from his experience, a specific instance, I'd have no trouble with his observations.

I did. Read my first post. Glad we could clear that up.

 

[jpmcwjr]

In before the close.
Cap'n and folks, if you wait two hours before firing off a reply, things won't go South so fast.

 

[pipesmokingtom]

Cap'n and folks, if you wait two hours before firing off a reply, things won't go South so fast

But what else is there to do at work all day?!

 

[jpmcwjr]

Heh. Good point.

 

[admiral]

Captain,

I understand your point but I was trying to point out that you were never in a position which will force you to do "customs fraud".

I was buying a lot from PipeStud, and he did excellent service in posting and etc. but problem is that customs are putting pipe tobacco and any other tobacco in the same category as drugs.

I would gladly pay fees and etc. but I am not even allowed to do that.

Everything above 40g of tobacco is getting confiscated ...