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BigEd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2023
160
476
Franklin, TN
There are a couple of elements of the pipe in question that don’t exactly fit just perfectly here so I took the liberty of clearing this post with management ahead of time. I hope you will find it interesting.

Many years ago, would have been mid 90’s, I had an opportunity to visit Astley’s in London. I can’t remember what drew me to that particular shop but I have a vague recollection that Kipling mentioned it somewhere. The story that I had in mind did infact mention a tobacconist but it turns out that it was not Astley’s. Whatever the reason I do remember that I was drawn enough to walk there from Mayfair. Not a huge distance but a bit of a hike.
On entering the shop I was immediately aware that something unusual was taking place. There was another gentleman at the counter, fairly well dressed and the shopkeeper on the other side. They were having a heated and quite loud discussion.
As I entered I could tell the shopkeeper was instantly somewhat embarrassed that another customer had arrived. The conversation went like this:

You must give me something for it
No. I can’t. Please leave.
I have to leave the country and I need money. Give me something!
I’m not the owner. I’m not authorized You have to go.
Just give me anything!
FINE! Here is 50 Pounds. Now get out!

I couldn’t tell exactly what it was but even from the short distance I could see it was something special. So I walked up and said “I’ll give you the 50 for that” to which he replied, “I can take 80.” 😂

I still believe I got a deal. It’s solid silver with an ivory shank and silver mouth piece. It is unsmoked and my guess is that it is an opium or perhaps hash pipe Neither of which I know anything about, but the small chamber suggests that it was not for tobacco. Over the years it’s darkened and taken on a patina. The whole pipe was the color of the inside of the cap when I got it. This is the first time I’ve showed it to any besides my wife. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
 

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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,960
14,334
Humansville Missouri
I agree it’s an antique opium pipe.



And a fascinating Guardian story about the English opium trade.

 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
4,960
14,334
Humansville Missouri
I guess it is what everybody had remarked to date. To be honest I had no clue.

Reading on those, they were used by heat from an opium lamp.

That’s why it was the color of the inside of the bowl.

Does it vent with the plug inserted?

It looks like a very high end pipe.

One of the old folk songs I learned as a child referred to an opium pipe.

Girl in the Blue Velvet Band

In that city of beauty and fashion In Frisco I first saw the ligh; And the numerous adventures and frolics That live in my memory tonight

I was walking the streets of old Frisco The hour was just turning nine When I chanced on a girl, tall and slender On the corner of Kearney and Pine

Her face was a vision of beauty Her eyes, they seemed to expand And her hair it was long, rich and golden Entwined in a blue velvet band

To a place where they served us strong liquor She invited me with a sweet smile She seemed so refined, gay and charming That I thought I would tarry awhile

She took me back to her apartment It was up on the third floor above And I thought myself truly in heaven As I looked at this goddess of love But what struck me most was an object Designed by an artistic hand 'Twas the costly layout of a hop-fiend And the fiend was my blue velvet band

On a pile of fine satins and pillows She reclined, I declined on the floor Then we both hit the pipe and I slumbered I pondered it over and o'er 'Tis months since the craven arm grasped me And in bliss did my life slip away From opium to dipping and thieving She artfully led day by day

One evening, coming home wet and weary With the swag from a jewelry store I heard the soft voice of my loved one As I quietly opened the door "If you'll give me a clue to convict him" Said a stranger, in tones soft and bland "You'll then prove to me that you love me" "It's a go" said my blue velvet band

Ah! How my heart then filled with anger At this woman, so fair, false and vile And the thought that I once truly loved her Forced my lips to a sad, bitter smile All ill-gotten gains we had squandered And my life, it was hers to command Deserted and left for another Could this be my blue velvet band

What happened to me I will tell you I was ditched for a desperate crime For during that jewelry store hold-up A man was shot down in his prime As a convict of hard reputation Ten years of hard grind did I land And I often recalled all the pleasures I had with my blue velvet band

Many months have gone by since this happened And the story belongs to the past I forgave her, but just retribution Claimed this fair but false one at last She slowly sank lower and lower Downward through life's shifting sands Till finally she died in a hop-joint The girl in the blue velvet band

Now when I get out I will hasten To live honest in some other land For I'm bidding farewell to old Frisco And the grave of the blue velvet band

Xxxxxxx

The commercial version played over the radio omitted any reference to opium and really doesn’t make much sense.

 
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BigEd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2023
160
476
Franklin, TN
The cap is solid. It must vent from somewhere. I’m out of the country at the moment but I’ll investigate further when i get back. It honestly hasn’t been out of the box for years and I haven’t investigated how it works.
 
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BigEd

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 19, 2023
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476
Franklin, TN
Just saw the commercial version of the song. You’re right that it doesn’t make much sense out of context but it’s probably the darkest bluegrass song I’ve ever heard. I’m not sure how that is colored by the previous knowledge of what it’s about. So many fascinating rabbit holes.
 
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Cloozoe

Lifer
Sep 1, 2023
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There are a couple of elements of the pipe in question that don’t exactly fit just perfectly here so I took the liberty of clearing this post with management ahead of time. I hope you will find it interesting.

Many years ago, would have been mid 90’s, I had an opportunity to visit Astley’s in London. I can’t remember what drew me to that particular shop but I have a vague recollection that Kipling mentioned it somewhere. The story that I had in mind did infact mention a tobacconist but it turns out that it was not Astley’s. Whatever the reason I do remember that I was drawn enough to walk there from Mayfair. Not a huge distance but a bit of a hike.
On entering the shop I was immediately aware that something unusual was taking place. There was another gentleman at the counter, fairly well dressed and the shopkeeper on the other side. They were having a heated and quite loud discussion.
As I entered I could tell the shopkeeper was instantly somewhat embarrassed that another customer had arrived. The conversation went like this:

You must give me something for it
No. I can’t. Please leave.
I have to leave the country and I need money. Give me something!
I’m not the owner. I’m not authorized You have to go.
Just give me anything!
FINE! Here is 50 Pounds. Now get out!

I couldn’t tell exactly what it was but even from the short distance I could see it was something special. So I walked up and said “I’ll give you the 50 for that” to which he replied, “I can take 80.” 😂

I still believe I got a deal. It’s solid silver with an ivory shank and silver mouth piece. It is unsmoked and my guess is that it is an opium or perhaps hash pipe Neither of which I know anything about, but the small chamber suggests that it was not for tobacco. Over the years it’s darkened and taken on a patina. The whole pipe was the color of the inside of the cap when I got it. This is the first time I’ve showed it to any besides my wife. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

Great pipe; great story
 
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