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bent1

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Good post. Personally, I don’t like the citric taste as in Escudo or Orlik Golden Sliced for example. However I do enjoy them with at least a couple years on it. Conversely, there are some Latakia blends that I only like fresh from the tin.

Christmas Cheer is an interesting one, some years I liked it fresh vs aged, & vis-a-ve.
 
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BROBS

Lifer
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Here ya go. The TR next to a name means tin ready and no drying needed.
Fribourg&Treyer Cut Virginia Plug TR

Fribourg and Treyer VintageTR

Fribourg & Treyer Special Brown FlakeTR

Wessex Campaign Brigade Dark Flake

Wessex Brown Virginia Flake TR

Wessex Gold Virginia Flake TR

Wessex Gold Brick TR

Wessex Gold Slice TR

Samuel Gawith Best Brown Flake

Samuel Gawith full Virginia Flake

Samuel Gawith Kendal Plug

Dan Tobacco Hamborger Veermaster TR

Dan Tobacco Patriot Flake TR

Dunhill Flake TR= discontinued TR

Astley’s no. 44 Dark Flake -TR

Astleys 109

John Aylesbury Luxury Flake now called Classic Flake TR

Rotary Navy Cut TR- discontinued

Capstan Blue Flake TR

Capstan Gold RR

Brigham Klondike Gold TR-discontinued

Butera Royal Vintage: Dark Stoved- discontinued



Virginia/Perique Flakes-9

EscudoTR

Solani 633 TR

Samuel Gawith St James Flake

Dunhill Deluxe Navy RollsTR

Peter Heinrichs Curly Block

Dan Tobacco Salty Dogs

Savinelli Doblone d’Oro TR

Cabbies Mixture

Dunhill Dark Flake TR





Virginia/Burley/Kentucky Flakes-10

Solani Silver Flake TR

Peterson Perfect Plug

GL Pease NavigatorTR

Petersons Irish Flake

Peterson University Flake



Esoterica Stonehaven

Mac Baren HH Old Dark Fired

Mac Baren Modern Virginia Flake TR
Wallace Flake TR
Orlik Dark Strong Kentucky
So what we learned is Harris likes to smoke his tobacco sopping wet. ?
 
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americaman

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This is a funny coincidence, because someone on the forum recently sent me a sample of 5100 and ten year aged Luxury Bullseye Flake. I remember liking fresh Luxury Bullseye quite a bit, but then I tried this aged stuff, and I didn’t like it. Same as you.
 

weezell

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birdog, if you want the best Virginis's, Vaper and Vaburs all you need to do is ask me. I am the foremost authority on these blends in flake form and even jiminks will ask my opinions.
Of course you must realize that Harris is a legend in his own mind and a god among men. That being said I will release the hound from Canada to consume him and his cellar in one fell swoop... rotf rotf rotf rotf rotf rotf
 
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weezell

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Behold, the Peckster!!!...
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krizzose

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Feb 13, 2013
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in my limited experience, aged OGS is damn near a different blend from fresh. Incredibly good. But I also happen to think that fresh is great too, so it’s 2 for 1
 

Jaylotw

Lifer
Mar 13, 2020
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Behold, the Peckster!!!...
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That’s some serious nightmare fuel right there.

I’m kinda in between here...I’ve smoked fresh FVF right along side some 10 year aged FVF, and enjoyed them both.

Early on in my pipe-dream, I acquired some aged McClelland Aniversary, it had 11 years on it when I opened it and it was my first aged tobacco...I didn’t really like it all that much, it was weird and not like the VAs I’d known up to that point (it also has a smidge of Latakia), it smelled like grapes or plums or something and...i don’t know.

Fast forward about 12 years, and now I salivate just thinking about popping an aged tin. I’ve still got quite a bit of that Anniversary, too, now approaching 20 years old, and I find it to be really, stupid good. But, I also like fresh VAs and VaPers, the brighter flavors present in new VAs are something I seek sometimes.

Your tastes may change, like mine, or...you’ll just like it fresh! And that’s cool!
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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Interesting thread making many good points. Aging is no all-purpose answer, just a second opportunity, or a series of opportunities over time. Some burleys mellow and expand, though Virginia does the most by way of change.
 

karam

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Feb 2, 2019
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It seemed the tobacco lost all of its high notes and became something much deeper and richer. More earthy flavor and the sweetness shifted from citrusy to molasses-like (I'm not much of a tobacco reviewer...yet).

This could well be saved as a description of aging! I was reading and thinking "what on earth is there not to like?".

It's all about taste preferences, some like the heavier flavours, others the lighter. Both good.

Comparing is the way to understanding in my opinion. I remember a review from Bradley (STUFF and THINGS) going sort of "If Orlik Golden sliced is one end of the spectrum for citrus, hay etc, and SG Full Virginia Flake is the other with bready, molasses sweetness, Capstan is in the middle". This is a good way to orient oneself - I've not tried any of them, now I know I'd give Orlik a miss.
 

stokesdale

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New to the forum here. This is the question that made me decide to quit lurking on this website and finally join.

I've been smoking pipes for almost a year and a half and have tried just about every category of blend. Virginias have been my favorite by far. I got some luxury bullseye flake right when I started smoking and liked it, but not as much as other blends so I jarred it and put it in my closet. Just last week I came back to it and WOW what a change. Upon opening the jar I got an overwhelming scent of red wine and molasses. The coins were noticeably darker and I was excited to try my first "aged" Virginia.

To put it bluntly, I was disappointed. It seemed the tobacco lost all of its high notes and became something much deeper and richer. More earthy flavor and the sweetness shifted from citrusy to molasses-like (I'm not much of a tobacco reviewer...yet). With that said...I'm not as much a fan of the aged version as I am of the fresh stuff. I also recently bought some capstan yellow at a local B&M that says it was packaged in 2013. Having had "fresh" capstan yellow and its aged counterpart, again, I like the fresh stuff better.

Has anyone else had an experience like this? Will I come to appreciate the aged Virginias more with time? Or is this just going to be my preference? With all the things I hear people say about aged Virginias I'm disappointed that I don't seem to get the same level of enjoyment.

I can't stand tobacco that has been sitting around for a long time outside of the ageing process used to attain its flavor in the first place. To me, once it is put into a tin, it stays there until I'm ready to smoke it. But then, from what I've been reading on this website, a lot of smokers air dry theirs before smoking...I've never liked that either, at least not deliberately. I don't think there is a right or wrong way with pipe tobacco, if you like to pee on it before you smoke it, and that's your thing, do it.
 
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cigrmaster

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So what we learned is Harris likes to smoke his tobacco sopping wet. ?
If I liked my tobacco sopping wet I would smoke my Samuel Gawith flakes right out of a just popped tin. I find that my SG flakes can dry 4-5 hours before they are ready. Now a flake like Capstan Blue flake in my opinion comes at the perfect moisture level. The flake is soft and moves quite easily. I only need one flake to fill a group 4-5 sized pipe once I have folded and stuffed it. Capstan Blue Flake is in my opinion the easiest flake to smoke because it comes at a humidity level that is perfect for me. Once I have it folded and stuffed, a quick charring light and then a good true light and I am off and running. It smokes as easy as anything in my cellar. I feel that flakes need a bit of moisture in them so they burn nice and cool and you can pack them in your pipe . If a flake is too dry, it cracks and becomes just a bunch of broken flakes. If you like broken flakes that is cool We all have out ways of doing things. I know some people like to dry their tobacco to almost crispy and that is how they enjoy it. I have found over the years that I like some moisture as I get to control the burn better and when I load my pipe it is easier to pack it. I fill my pipes pretty well. When I check the draw, I want to feel some resistance. If I pack loosely it burns too quickly and creates a hotter less flavorful experience.

There are times when I fill a bowl with a flake that is too big for the bowl. I will cram it in hopping I can get a draw when I put a pipe cleaner into the bowl creating an airway. Most times this works once in a while I will have to un pack the pipe and try again. No big deal.
For me a tight pack makes the pipe smoke so much cooler and the cooler it is the more flavor I get.
There are times when the pipe will start to tighten up impeding the draw. I take a pipe cleaner jam it into the bowl with the stem on and it creates an air hole and I keep on smoking . This system I use if for a specific flake. I have other systems for different types of flakes.

Earlier today I smoked a bowl of 2012 St James flake. I waited and waited while smoking other things and finally I felt it was dry enough after some 4-5 hours. SG flakes are like beef jerky. they are tough and leather like most times. The last tin of an SG flake that wasn't jerky was a 2004 FVF. I was amazed at how thin and pliable the flakes were in that particular tin. I was actually a little pissed as I asked my self why can't they do that every time. So today's jerky was dry enough and I folded and stuffed it into the bowl. I kept a bit out and made a nice pile of kindling for it. I lit up the kindling, got it going. Moved the kindling around and then went for the true light and really got a nce big cherry going. For me this burns better when I pay attention and don't allow many relights. The tobacco flavor was great, it reminds me why I deal with this pain n the ass flake. I had put in one of my larger group 5's or could be a small 6 That sucker burned a good 3 hours and it was tasty the whole way down.

There are many flakes in my cellar that require a different method than the two I just mentioned. Stonehaven is one, Peterson University Flake need one similar to Mac Baren Old Dark Fired.

So far over y 20 years of pipe smoking I still find new things to learn. Trying to find one thing that works on all blends is not something I have ever tried to accomplish, there are just too many variables.
 

chopper

Lifer
Aug 24, 2019
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I've had the same experience with PS LNF. After a year jarred it smelt amazing but I did not enjoy it half as much as when it was fresh. [It was much better after mixing in 25% London Squire]

On the other hand, I really like aged straight Virginia.

It all comes down to personal taste I guess.
 
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When I was first starting out, I really enjoyed an entire time of Orlik golden sliced. And then sometime shortly after that, my tastes for Virginia's changed. Now I hate the stuff. Unless it's a tiny bit mixed with good burleys. I keep trying to like any Virginia's at all, and just can't do it. Old or new, no thank you.
 
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New to the forum here. This is the question that made me decide to quit lurking on this website and finally join.

I've been smoking pipes for almost a year and a half and have tried just about every category of blend. Virginias have been my favorite by far. I got some luxury bullseye flake right when I started smoking and liked it, but not as much as other blends so I jarred it and put it in my closet. Just last week I came back to it and WOW what a change. Upon opening the jar I got an overwhelming scent of red wine and molasses. The coins were noticeably darker and I was excited to try my first "aged" Virginia.

To put it bluntly, I was disappointed. It seemed the tobacco lost all of its high notes and became something much deeper and richer. More earthy flavor and the sweetness shifted from citrusy to molasses-like (I'm not much of a tobacco reviewer...yet). With that said...I'm not as much a fan of the aged version as I am of the fresh stuff. I also recently bought some capstan yellow at a local B&M that says it was packaged in 2013. Having had "fresh" capstan yellow and its aged counterpart, again, I like the fresh stuff better.

Has anyone else had an experience like this? Will I come to appreciate the aged Virginias more with time? Or is this just going to be my preference? With all the things I hear people say about aged Virginias I'm disappointed that I don't seem to get the same level of enjoyment.
As a beer fan, I must say this sounds like an IPA lover trying to understand/like an amber or brown ale. You like what you like. If you like the sharpness and freshness, that's what you like. If you like the mellow, darker flavors then that's cool too. Leave your aged Virginia's for a while and come back to them in a year or 5. If you like them better than you win, otherwise trade here for a tobacco you like better. IPA isn't better than a brown or amber ale, they just are different. We all just have our own personal preferences.

Yeah. This has been said but I just wanted to add my voice.
 
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