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I've been struggling with tongue bite as well for over a year since I started. I am on this rabbit hole also and even bought some test strips to test my ph and the ph of blending tobaccos in water. I agree and have confirmed that burley and VA are about the same on the slightly acidic side, perique was a little higher, and cigar leaf was high probably a 9. I believe that the combustion just changes everything though so unburnt PH really doesn't seem to matter. What I don't understand is my natural saliva is very high for some reason, about an 8 almost 9 usually based on periodic testing. Seems odd to me I get burned so easy when my natural mount ph is already alkaline.
I am still very new to this so technique, dryness, etc. (I've ready all I can on this time sucking hobby...) may still be problems but it feels like more than that. The burns can sometimes be visible similar, or maybe it is, to geographic tongue. Starts in a little circle and spreads over the next couple of days out until it's made it to the end of the tongue and I get a fresh slate to burn again.
Burleys seem to be the worst (BLWB must be a joke of a name) and orlik golden slice is about the only thing I'm ready to rule out as a non-burner for me.
 

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I've been struggling with tongue bite as well for over a year since I started. I am on this rabbit hole also and even bought some test strips to test my ph and the ph of blending tobaccos in water. I agree and have confirmed that burley and VA are about the same on the slightly acidic side, perique was a little higher, and cigar leaf was high probably a 9. I believe that the combustion just changes everything though so unburnt PH really doesn't seem to matter. What I don't understand is my natural saliva is very high for some reason, about an 8 almost 9 usually based on periodic testing. Seems odd to me I get burned so easy when my natural mount ph is already alkaline.
I am still very new to this so technique, dryness, etc. (I've ready all I can on this time sucking hobby...) may still be problems but it feels like more than that. The burns can sometimes be visible similar, or maybe it is, to geographic tongue. Starts in a little circle and spreads over the next couple of days out until it's made it to the end of the tongue and I get a fresh slate to burn again.
Burleys seem to be the worst (BLWB must be a joke of a name) and orlik golden slice is about the only thing I'm ready to rule out as a non-burner for me.

Did you read my reply with the link in it? šŸ¤”

P.S. @HawkeyeLinus I canā€™t make out what that is, with the deer? Hmm šŸ¤”
 
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Sep 18, 2024
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Did you read my reply with the link in it? šŸ¤”

P.S. @HawkeyeLinus I canā€™t make out what that is, with the deer? Hmm šŸ¤”
I did, it is very helpful. I just found it strange that if I have a high normal PH level in my mouth, I assumed I would be more comfortable with alkaline smoke. But my experience is just as it says, the more alkaline smoking tobaccos tend to burn the most. All this to say Iā€™ve essentially given up on the high PH water, if burn is caused by high PH smoke that seems to be the worst thing you could do. I havenā€™t figured it out yet but Iā€™m working it out. The hardest part is that it takes so much time. I try, get burned, wait 3-5 days to normalize, try again, burn again, waitā€¦ etc. The pattern doesnā€™t yield much progress at essentially 1-2 bowls a week. I guess I could just smoke golden slice foreverā€¦ there are worse things.
 
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khiddy

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Thank you, all, for the interesting conversation. Many points of view to consider.

I donā€™t smoke a lot of burleys, as I find they dry my mouth out. I also donā€™t smoke a lot of aromatics, and those that I do are not ā€œbiteyā€ for me (which is why they have made the cut). Itā€™s really only Virginias that occasionally irritate my mouth, and my experience is that what Iā€™m doing with the magnesium water seems to be working effectively to counter that. Plus I find it pleasant to drink (and itā€™s healthy).

I wanted to offer my approach as a data point for others who might be interested in experimenting on their own. It works for me, perhaps it may work for you. YMMV, as Iā€™ve been told.

By the way, I do brush my teeth and rinse with Biotene (or the equivalent generic and/or ACT Dry Mouth) twice a day. Itā€™s an excellent and soothing routine, one that can be recommended to all pipers.

Happy smokes, yā€™all.
 

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Very interesting topic. I think we all have different mouth chemistries. Burkeys do not bite me. Virginias, on the whole, do. I also seem to be allergic to Kentucky in higher quantities. If condimental, I can handle it. But HH Bold KY and ODF, for example, really do something to my mouth. It isnā€™t tongue bite, but more of an allergic reaction where my mouth begins tingling and I canā€™t really taste anything (and thus stop smoking). It doesnā€™t burn when I brush my teeth like it burns when I smoke some Virginias. I seem to have no issues smoking Perique.
 
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